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Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by maelito »

0x1ch wrote: post #69
concinds wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence is not "news articles", but the contents of those articles where a high-ranking prosecutor threatened to go after GrapheneOS "if they don't cooperate with the law". No matter your feelings about the creator, I think this was entirely the rational choice. France is pro-Chat Control. For about a year now there's been an anti-drug trafficking fervor among legislators and government, in which they've pushed…

Didn't France intercept Telegram's CEO to force him to backdoor the app while in country? Yes. Yes they did.

Durov runs an app where slave trade was known and documented, and did nothing.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by jojobas »

maelito wrote: post #71
0x1ch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't France intercept Telegram's CEO to force him to backdoor the app while in country? Yes. Yes they did.

Durov runs an app where slave trade was known and documented, and did nothing.

If your answer to slave trade using encryption is "deny encryption to everyone" we'll have to agree to disagree.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by wiredpancake »

bluGill wrote: post #29
aborsy wrote: post #27

Canada is liberal and a better option for hosting privacy projects than EU. Every few months a bad proposal comes out of somewhere in EU. The details of this case don’t matter, the tendency is big government control.

There is no place in the world where there are not bad proposals all the time. Some places are worse than others, but everyplace has problems and needs to be watched.

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Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by rgblambda »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #70
rgblambda wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A European Arrest Warrant would make the entire EU off limits. Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting, as many on this thread suspect. If the GrapheneOS maintainers were being advised by a lawyer, they'd surely know that if French Authorities wanted them arrested and they were standing on a street corner in Stockholm, they could just as easily be picked up by police as if the…

> Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting. You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough but in that case they aren't overreacting, they're under-reacting. They need to transfer development out of the EU, not just out of France. That's one unexpected benefit of Brexit, btw.

My point is that they clearly haven't sat down with a lawyer, so don't know what the appropriate response is.

I suspect they'd get told to calm down while the lawyer sends a letter to the authorities explaining what they're currently attempting to articulate via social media.

The lead developer seems to have a history of this style of communication in response to any minor critique of himself or GrapheneOS.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by sunshine-o »

Here is the problem France and Europe need to be somehow attractive in the world today:

- Energy prices -> nope

- Science and technology -> not anymore plus the brain drain is accelerating

- Business environment and competitive taxes -> nope

Europe still had good living environment, safety, fair privacy and rule of law. But western Europe seems to be dedicated to destroy this too. In the meanwhile a lot of countries elsewhere are progressing rapidly in those domains.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by OuterVale »

izacus wrote: post #55
ranger_danger wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real issue is that the public wants a right to digital privacy. Legitimate question, is there any concrete evidence that the majority of the public actually does want this?

I wonder what an actual referendum on Chat Control would actually say as well.

The official title is 'Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse' and I imagine most people would be inclined to vote in favour of that without context.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by SiempreViernes »

jojobas wrote: post #72
maelito wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov runs an app where slave trade was known and documented, and did nothing.

If your answer to slave trade using encryption is "deny encryption to everyone" we'll have to agree to disagree.

Funny how you translated "comply with takedown request" into "deny encryption to everyone".

Doubly funny as you seem to be implying Telegram has worthwhile encryption to start with.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by ls612 »

Lariscus wrote: post #17

This looks hugely blown out of proportion. The project founder has a well documented history of what I would consider a persecution complex. Once again he has provided no substantial evidence. The only thing they provided are some, admittedly borderline libelous, news articles. Unless they provide some more concrete information about these supposed attempts of getting a backdoor installed into the system, I will cons…

When you are in this business it's better to be safe than Pavel Durov.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by SiempreViernes »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #70
rgblambda wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A European Arrest Warrant would make the entire EU off limits. Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting, as many on this thread suspect. If the GrapheneOS maintainers were being advised by a lawyer, they'd surely know that if French Authorities wanted them arrested and they were standing on a street corner in Stockholm, they could just as easily be picked up by police as if the…

> Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting. You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough but in that case they aren't overreacting, they're under-reacting. They need to transfer development out of the EU, not just out of France. That's one unexpected benefit of Brexit, btw.

> You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough

There is no contradiction between "being paranoid" and "not being rational".

Oh my mistake, you intentionally put "benefit" and "Brexit" in the same sentence; yes, there's absolutely a contradiction there, well done lad.

Re: GrapheneOS migrates server infrastructure from France

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Post by DANmode »

maelito wrote: post #71
0x1ch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't France intercept Telegram's CEO to force him to backdoor the app while in country? Yes. Yes they did.

Durov runs an app where slave trade was known and documented, and did nothing.

At who do you stop laying personal blame for how people use their free will on the Internet,

between Durov and Sir Tim Berners-Lee?

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