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Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by jlokier »

baggy_trough wrote: post #104
harperlee wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR is not about the cookie banner, it has massive implications around the whole lifecycle of data. For example you need to be able to gather all data of a particular client for them to access, and they have the right for all their data to be erased.

Far less than 1% of people would care about either.

But far more than 1% are harmed by it.

Sometimes the harm is severe. Vast oceans of poorly handled personal data collected in exquisite and unnecessary detail by dark patterns, copied around to everyone who might be interested with low regard for security, kept forever, analysed by the best algorithms and sold to whomever will buy it, raise the risks and consequences of identity theft and fraud for everyone.

Those are the sorts of things GDPR is designed to limit.

The GDPR isn't about cookies or websites. It applies to non-web-based businesses too. It's basically just insisting on security best practices in every part of a business that handles personally identifying or sensitive data.

Limiting its collection to what is necessary and consented to, deleting or anonymising it when it's no longer required, respecting wishes of the individuals the data, and giving people some confidence that security best practice is taken seriously.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

blablabla123 wrote: post #176
hdgvhicv wrote: post #117

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What exactly did you see about cucumbers?

They scrapped it actually but this law used to be the main example for overbearing EU bureaucracy https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2008/no...

He actual regulation said that you had to classify them based on their characteristics. If I wanted a straight cucumber and I ordered one I would get one. If I was happy with a bendy one then I’d simply order an “any shaped” one.

I don’t see a problem woth mandating truth in advertising.

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Post by gambiting »

bitpush wrote: post #106
JoshTriplett wrote: post #89

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> HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies HN is not a hive mind or a monoculture. Every time the EU goes after some company, some people always cheer, some people always boo, and some people will cheer some and boo others based on the impact/nuance of the particular policy or company.

This is accurate, however if you look at any thread you can see an overwhelming consensus of opinion. The diversity of views are not equal - in the sense that there isnt equal number of for and against comments. In most of the threads I have observed about EU action on Big Tech, the overwhelming majority of thoughts are 'for', with perhaps few dissenting thoughts.

It depends what time of the day you log in too. I'm in the GMT time zone, I can literally see a comment go from +20 upvotes in the morning to negative numbers when Americans start waking up. It really shifts your perspective of the site too, because comments move down or even disappear based on the number of votes.

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Post by graemep »

immibis wrote: post #140
graemep wrote: post #70

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The cookie law made this worse. I used to use an extension that let me whitelist which sites could set cookies (which was pretty much those I wanted to login to). I had to stop using it because I had to allow the cookie preference cookies on too many sites.

There could be an extension to block the banners, too. I think uBO has a feature to block certain CSS classes?

The only thing that works well for me is using an extension that automatically gives permissions and another that auto deletes cookies when i close the tab.

The problem with Ublock etc. is that just blocking breaks quite a lot of sites.

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Post by theoldgreybeard »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

> One change that’s likely to please almost everyone is a reduction in Europe’s ubiquitous cookie banners and pop-ups. Under the new proposal, some “non-risk” cookies won’t trigger pop-ups at all, and users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Finally!

jokes on them i never followed the law anyway

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Post by hdgvhicv »

nonethewiser wrote: post #157
hdgvhicv wrote: post #114

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Those “cookie banners” are nonsense aimed at getting this outcome. This is a loss for European citizens and small businesses and a win for the trillion dollar ecosystem of data abuse.

How can you comply with the current requirements without cookie banners? Why would EU governments use cookie banners if they are just nonsense meant to degrade approval of GDPR?

By not setting a cookie until the user does something active when I then tell them (say on “log in” or “add to basket”.

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Post by Levitz »

rat9988 wrote: post #192
Swenrekcah wrote: post #131

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Not different rules for different people. You would be subject to one rule for your small company and another rule as it grows. This is everywhere in society, from expectation difference between babies, kids, teenagers, adults and seniors and to tax bracket structures.

This is different for different people said differently. Why would small companies have access to things not allowed to big companies?

Because their conditions and abilities are different.

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Post by goobatrooba »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

> One change that’s likely to please almost everyone is a reduction in Europe’s ubiquitous cookie banners and pop-ups. Under the new proposal, some “non-risk” cookies won’t trigger pop-ups at all, and users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Finally!

The funny part is that many banners are already now not required. But there has been much propaganda by adtech around it, to rule people up against tracking protections and promote their own "solutions". That's the reason you see the same 3-5 cookie banners all around the web. Already today websites that use purely technical cookies would not actually not need any banners at all.

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Post by marcosdumay »

danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

Yes, the solution is clearer rules. What drives compliance costs up is rarely the compliance itself, it's usually the uncertainty about your being in compliance or not.

That's also true for tax laws, labor laws, environment laws, almost every safety code out there, building zoning...

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Post by HardCodedBias »

@complaintvc on X has been doing amazing work in this area.

The EU, especially the EU post 2008, seems to be infatuated with regulation it has likely bitten them with their lackluster GDP growth and their very lackluster AI developments.

I suspect that this is too little too late, and more importantly I highly doubt it signals a shift in the biases/incentives of the EU regulators. The second the scrutiny is off of them they will go back to their ways. It is their nature.

(I look forward to the loss of karma. I hope that the link to @complaintvc at least makes a few people chuckle).

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