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Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by rafaelmn »

shevy-java wrote: post #74

Poor Europe - lobbyists make sure that Europe stays weak. That statement includes Ursula by the way.

You can't build large ML models without swaths of data, and GDPR is the antitheses of collecting data. Therefore countries/companies that don't have to abide by it are at an obvious advantage.

If anything this is coming from political elite being convinced that AI research is a critical topic, EU recognizing it's weak because of the self-imposed handicaps and trying to move past that. I'd be shocked if we manage to do anything concrete on the matter TBH.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by vkou »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #49
radicalbyte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

Hackers should know the government is never on your side.

Neither are the billionaires and their deputies who both own and run all the megacorps.

99% of the current AI push is entirely anti-hacker ethos. It is a race to consolidate control of the world's computing and its economic surplus to ~5 organizations.

A few people do interesting stuff on the edges of this, but the rest of the work in it is anathema to hacker values.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

bpodgursky wrote: post #7

> The EU folds under Big Tech’s pressure. This is a very odd framing, because the actual reason from quotes in the article is that the EU is acutely feeling the pain of having no big tech companies , due in part to burdensome privacy regulations. The pressure isn't really from big tech, it's from feeling poor and setting themselves up as irrelevant consumers of an economy permeated by AI.

The EU is not folding. The article is two facts surrounded by a huge ball of propaganda.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by hdgvhicv »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

> One change that’s likely to please almost everyone is a reduction in Europe’s ubiquitous cookie banners and pop-ups. Under the new proposal, some “non-risk” cookies won’t trigger pop-ups at all, and users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Finally!

Those “cookie banners” are nonsense aimed at getting this outcome.

This is a loss for European citizens and small businesses and a win for the trillion dollar ecosystem of data abuse.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #54
theptip wrote: post #34

> users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Great to see this finally. It’s obviously the way it should have been implemented from the beginning. We still see this technically myopic approach with things like age verification; it’s insane to ask websites to collect Gov ID to age verify kids (or prove adulthood for porn), rather than having an OS feature that c…

> We still see this technically myopic approach with things like age verification; it’s insane to ask websites to collect Gov ID to age verify kids (or prove adulthood for porn), rather than having an OS feature that can do so in a privacy-preserving way. Now these sites have a copy of your ID! You know they are going to get hacked and leak it! An OS feature is also a terrible option - remember when South Korean bank…

> OS feature is also a terrible option - remember when South Korean banks forced the country to use ActiveX and Internet Explorer?

Just let Estonia run the programme [1].

[1] https://e-estonia.com/solutions/estonian-e-identity/id-card/

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by pdimitar »

seydor wrote: post #109
pdimitar wrote: post #93

Is EU suffering from FOMO? As an EU citizen, this is shameful and even kind of pathetic to read. Will we start outsourcing all our IT needs to USA again?

Start?

I stand corrected. :D

You are quite right! They have never stopped. And I am ashamed on their behalf. We have amazing tech talent in the EU but we are beholden to old and ultra-risk-averse rich aristocracy. What a damned shame.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by hdgvhicv »

blablabla123 wrote: post #86

That's a pity, the government fails to capitalize on its own policies because they fail to set up long term investment. First environmental and e-Mobility and now AI. Sure, there's way too much bureaucracy. But I see there things like taxes, regulations about the cucumber radius etc.

What exactly did you see about cucumbers?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by superkuh »

Does this mean that whois information can come back? The destruction of the whois databases by GDPR really made the internet a more closed, proprietary place. No more could one just contact the people behind any domain and communicate... pretty much impossible after GDPR came into effect. Especially if you don't use twitter/corporate crap.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by eptcyka »

kmeisthax wrote: post #38
bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

> What I really want to see is Meta getting irrelevant ON MERIT. That happened a decade ago. Users dropped from Facebook like flies and moved to Instagram. Mark Zuckerberg's response was to buy Instagram. The Obama DOJ waved through what was obviously a blatantly illegal merger. Likewise, Google's only ever made two successful products: Search and e-mail. Everything else was an acquisition. In fact, Google controlled…

What about hp, dell, ibm, compaq, sun? Companies are temporary.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by jdasdf »

danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

> clearer safe harbors for small actors

Different rules for different people huh?

Just because you like the group you're benefiting and dislike the group you're harming doesn't mean that is good policy.

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