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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Swenrekcah »

jdasdf wrote: post #120
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

> clearer safe harbors for small actors Different rules for different people huh? Just because you like the group you're benefiting and dislike the group you're harming doesn't mean that is good policy.

Not different rules for different people.

You would be subject to one rule for your small company and another rule as it grows.

This is everywhere in society, from expectation difference between babies, kids, teenagers, adults and seniors and to tax bracket structures.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by pipes »

radicalbyte wrote: post #35
bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

In the last few years I think sentiment on hacker news has shifted from libertarian leaning to much mored left leaning. The same happened on Reddit a few years before. Anyway, just my gut feeling, nothing scientific.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by taurath »

bsimpson wrote: post #98
radicalbyte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

I don't know if it's a changing of the audience or a change in how people behave generally, but this place has been insufferable lately whenever anything remotely related to Donald Trump's administration comes up. One of the things that made this place special relative to other online communities is the ethos to interrogate through a lens of curiosity. Now, there's a lot of vitriol that's indistinguishable from any o…

It’s a difference in values. To some, the ends justify the means and human life has no inherent value and the world is zero sum, and to some, a lying malignant narcissist deciding who lives and who dies is a personification of evil.

To some people, it’s literally a choice between that “lens of curiosity” and their families lives. But people for whom politics has never directly impacted them past a few % up or down in their paychecks can’t understand that, or feel safe in the idea that “they won’t come for me”.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by das_keyboard »

superkuh wrote: post #118

Does this mean that whois information can come back? The destruction of the whois databases by GDPR really made the internet a more closed, proprietary place. No more could one just contact the people behind any domain and communicate... pretty much impossible after GDPR came into effect. Especially if you don't use twitter/corporate crap.

I for one like it to be able to post stuff on my website without the risk of someone sending me pizza or swat teams to my home address...

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Qwertious wrote: post #102
zdragnar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The premise is that the intent of the law was good, so everyone should naturally change their behavior to obey the spirit of the law. That isn't how people work. The law was poorly written and even more poorly enforced. Attempts at "compliance" made the web browsing experience worse.

The law wasn't poorly written, most websites just don't follow the law. Yes, they're doing illegal things, but it turns out enforcement is weak so the lawbreaking is so ubiquitous that people think it's the fault of the law itself.

> law wasn't poorly written, most websites just don't follow the law

I honestly haven't found the banners on EU websites any less annoying or cumbersome than those on shady operators' sites.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by weberer »

stavros wrote: post #51
amelius wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we get the do-not-track header instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track Because that made more sense than the cookie banner ever did. Edit: it looks like there is a legal alternative now: Global Privacy Control.

Instead of what? Instead of the central browser controls?

>Instead of what?

Instead of a different cookie pop-up on every single site you visit

>Instead of the central browser controls?

This is the central browser control. The header is how the browser communicates it to the websites.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Aunche »

bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

Hackernews has always been a venture capitalist forum and has always had a significant minority that generally sides with money. I don't think that is substantially different today.

Most European regulations seemed to be less about helping regular people and more about protecting European ad firms, many of which are even shadier than big tech.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by stavros »

weberer wrote: post #136
stavros wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of what? Instead of the central browser controls?

>Instead of what? Instead of a different cookie pop-up on every single site you visit >Instead of the central browser controls? This is the central browser control. The header is how the browser communicates it to the websites.

This very article is about how we're getting a central browser control, and your comment was "can we finally get a central browser control instead?".

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by hdgvhicv »

bpodgursky wrote: post #52
yardie wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company did not retain customer data or retained very little. So compliance for us was very simple. If your business venture relies on that PII data you're going to have a hard time. And I'm not exactly sympathetic since I'm regularly getting notified from HaveIbeenPwned about another PII leak.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. If your position is "it should be difficult to make a company that has PII" you won't get any significant AI or consumer tech companies in your jurisdiction. That's just reality, they use PII, they personalize on PII, they receive PII, that's how they work. If that is your goal, OK, that's a choice, but then you can't say "oh GDPR fears were overblown". They caused exactly t…

If I sign up your company I can opt into that personalisation at signup time.

You have no business stealing my personal data until we enter an equal agreement.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by immibis »

graemep wrote: post #70
basisword wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It worked to highlight the insane amount of tracking every fucking website does. Unfortunately it didn’t stop it. A browser setting letting me reject everything by default will be a better implementation. But this implementation only failed because almost every website owner wants to track your every move and share those moves with about 50 different other trackers and doesn’t want to be better.

The cookie law made this worse. I used to use an extension that let me whitelist which sites could set cookies (which was pretty much those I wanted to login to). I had to stop using it because I had to allow the cookie preference cookies on too many sites.

There could be an extension to block the banners, too. I think uBO has a feature to block certain CSS classes?
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