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> I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment No shit. 80%+ percent of the country is rubble.
it's a nitpick, but country is Palestine, and Gaza is part of it
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"Equivalent"... So it sounds like we're in agreement that Israel needs a DeNazification-style purge also. I think we're getting somewhere.
The use of the term Nazi is deeply stupid. But Israel does need to chill a bit and care more about their global PR. But they are surrounded by countries that really DO want to destroy them so I can understand why they are so trigger happy. The way they destroyed Hezbollah was brilliant. The Hamas charter is a giant Islamist Jew-hating rant.
"DeNazification-style"...
You really seem to have a comprehension issue. Is it intentional?
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If Israel improved its conduct by a factor of 1000, then maybe it could be considered "a war mongering nation". Instead, it's going down in history as a relatively-short-lived (<100 years) exercise in savagery.
So far Iran looks like the aggressive nation (who also funded Hamas and all acts of terror in the middle east instead of investing in drinking water infrastructure) thats going down, with the love of god, after 50 years since its revolution. Israel seems more resilient at the moment, only responding to savagery from Gazans. Remember October 7th and the hostages that could've ended it so much time ago
What do you mean by "could have ended it"? Hamas wanted to make a deal to release the hostages since October 10th in return for Israel releasing the 5,200 Palestinian prisoners. The entire point of the hostages was to exchange them. Israel is the one that didn't want to make a deal. That's why there were so many protests within Israel to "return the hostages". Those protests weren't about continuing the war, they were about pushing Netanyahu to end it and make a deal
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I didn't insinuate it was a false flag, but that it was a natural result of an ongoing manufactured conflict designed for consolidation of power. Have you read the article I linked in a prior message and attempted to corroborate or disprove its contents?
This one? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... I don’t know what you think it’s trying to say, but I will admit that my own ideological bent probably makes it read a lot differently to you. I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use o…
> I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use of ordnance with a limited shelf life.
That's a key pillar of the Western Military–industrial complex.
> Everything else is just a ruse, and people like you and myself are unwittingly divided over meaningless conflict in far off lands, and would probably get along really well as colleagues or friends.
Sometimes, but energy/resource wars are real. Wars and regime changes to get access to specific resources or ensure labor/resources stay dirt cheap for first-world countries at the expensive of meager to destitute quality of life for those living in such areas, producing the goods we consume. The neoliberal imperial economic machine.
A good current example is the situation in Venezuela, where Trump is suddenly pretending to care about the quality of life of their citizens, and lying about the volume of drugs produced there, when the real story is the gigantic oil deposits that Trump's benefactors want to regain access to.
The other problem is that innocent people have died, and at scale, and the checks and bombs are signed by the US. It's not even just Palestine. There was Cablegate, if you remember, the infamous helicopter video, public documentation of the way that civilians are treated in these proxy wars.
Just in the last month, in Darfur, we've seen so much bloodshed that you could see pools of blood and dead bodies from orbiting satellites. An amount of people rivaling entire body count of the number of people killed since the recent Israeli invasion of Palestine, killed in less than a week, slaughtered like pigs... and various Western governments have their fingers all over this war, too, funding and arming factions both directly and indirectly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/11/15/sudan-el-fas...
And Netanyahu is no different here. He knew exactly what would happen. We'd all watched what happened when the US funded rebel groups that ended up seeding what became Al-Qaeda, our refusal to address real concerns levied by the group, to ignore increasing threats of action draw attention to the international crimes of the US. Then, even when faced with evidence that something like 9/11 was likely to occur, we just continued business as usual and let it happen, immediately pulled out the Patiot Act, which was promoted by Bush but based on earlier legislation penned by Biden himself, because one should never waste a good tragedy. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/surveil...
Then we invaded the Middle East and for what? Oil. It took 25 years for us to disengage, and the Taliban took over Afghanistan once we left, so we've only increased the level of fascist governance in the world.
Netanyahu's war is a mockery of human life, and there is a reason the International Criminal Court has a warrant for his arrest, and why the Imperial US continues to cover for him.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
> Thanks for continuing the conversation and not getting triggered by my probably immature responses. I do think Jesse Lee Peterson does have a point though.
I don't know much of him except that he's a religious zealot white nationalist conservative, what point do you refer to? Was it something he said about Palestine, or about conflict?
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Thing is, that motivation doesn't make the heinous acts any less heinous. When Viet Kong tortured and executed civilians who happened to be opposed to their ideology, that was wrong. When South African revolutionaries bombed churches, that was wrong. We should absolutely be holding Israel to account for all its crimes, but that does not imply whitewashing Hamas.
Is that what you see happening? Because I see most Western powers continuing to fund and enable Israel to act with impunity while reserving their harshest criticism for Hamas - the resistance movement set up in 1984, 40 years after Israel invaded Palestine, by the children who had grown up knowing nothing else. An occupier does not get to set the terms of how a desperate occupied people resist, least of all after 80…
I'm not a "Western power". I am a person, and as such I am entitled to make my own personal judgments on ethical matters.
(But, yes, what Israel is doing is occupation, and most Western countries are explicitly or implicitly supporting it, including materially. And that is also wrong.)
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> Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. What do you think Russia is?
You think Russia is a Western power and ally?
I'm Russian myself, and I think Russia is a Western (white European) colonial empire, and the largest one in terms of the sheer number of peoples and amount of territory it still occupies. Just look at the map of its administrative regions.
And yes, it is indeed opposed to other Western powers. That isn't new - at the height of colonialism, European colonial powers were constantly fighting each other. That didn't make any of them any less Western.
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So far Iran looks like the aggressive nation (who also funded Hamas and all acts of terror in the middle east instead of investing in drinking water infrastructure) thats going down, with the love of god, after 50 years since its revolution. Israel seems more resilient at the moment, only responding to savagery from Gazans. Remember October 7th and the hostages that could've ended it so much time ago
What do you mean by "could have ended it"? Hamas wanted to make a deal to release the hostages since October 10th in return for Israel releasing the 5,200 Palestinian prisoners. The entire point of the hostages was to exchange them. Israel is the one that didn't want to make a deal. That's why there were so many protests within Israel to "return the hostages". Those protests weren't about continuing the war, they wer…
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The majority of deaths in Gaza are women and children. Nearly 70%.[1] The reason we talk about "women and children" in Gaza is because Israel can accuse any adult man of being a militant. Statistics from Ukraine are harder to get but according to the OHCR,[2] we know that 39% of non-combatant casualties are women and less than 5% are children. What percent of total deaths are civilians is the hard part, but in Donbas…
> So we have a 70% women/children rate vs about a 11% (very very roughly calculated) women/children rate Sure. This is how "comparing it to the war in Ukraine" is both helpful and informative.
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> It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened What it comes down to is whether you can admit that the events of October 7th provoked a new military campaign that would not otherwise have happened. You can either admit that, or you can admit that you’re just going to what-about no matter what happens, and never speak honestly…
No, what it comes down to is whether you can admit that Palestine and Gaza are being occupied by a colonial power that doesn't have the right to be there, has consistently engaged in ethnic cleansing, genocide of entire villages and war crimes since its foundation, and that resistance to it will continue until that fact changes considerably. No-one living in a Western bubble, least of all Israel, gets to set the term…
The asymmetry is that Hamas uses human shields to great effect, whereas the IDF doesn’t and couldn’t because their foe wouldn’t care. It’s all you really need to know.
>resistance to it will continue
‘Resistance’ is an incredible word to summarize October 7th. Is it possible you haven’t looked into the full sordid details of that day? It is beyond comprehension. If you’re disturbed by hate-fueled violence perpetrated purely for the sake of exterminating an ethnic / religious group you hate, then Oct 7th is the genuine article.
The fact is that this conflict is not about resistance, and this is easily seen because the majority of Palestinians have no good faith interest in a two state solution. Go read poll results if you doubt me. Support for Hamas and its actions is robust, even in the West Bank (~70% at one count). The goal here is not merely resisting the occupier. The show’s not over until the Jews are dead and gone. The only real fix is to de-program the people in the region (both sides) from building their identity around a border dispute, and that’s not going to happen until the volume is turned down on the religious element.
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