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Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by rconti »

cma wrote: post #37
josephcsible wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > If FSD (Supervised) was active at any point within five seconds leading up to a collision event, Tesla considers the collision to have occurred with FSD (Supervised) engaged for purposes of calculating collision rates for the Vehicle Safety Report.

If it takes you off the road into the grass with no traction at 80mph it could reasonably be 5 seconds before you hit a tree.

Sure, it's very possible, and I'm sure has happened (an autopilot-instigated crash that happened >5sec after disengagement), but I do think 5 seconds is a reasonable threshold for this data, at the very least.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by bgwalter »

That is old news. Today we learn that Optimus will be a world class surgeon and "democratize" medical care, that Grok 5 has a 10% chance of achieving AGI, that Grokipedia will be named Encyclopedia Galactica and that Elon will put 100GW of solar powered "AI" satellites into orbit.

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Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by doph »

303uru wrote: post #46
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #7

I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I originally got the car in 2019 which was pretty janky, it has only gotten better and better (with the rare regression in some cases). As of the last year or so, I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore!

What kind of setting do you live in? I live in the outskirts of Denver (Cherry Creek) and commute downtown and I have to intervene all the time.

I'm in Los Angeles, which can be a challenging place to drive. Each time they give me a free trial of FSD for a month, I enable it and test it with excitement and optimism. Each time I only use it for a day or two before it does something dangerous enough to scare me.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by ajross »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #63
ajross wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. The volume of knee-jerk hatred these posts engender here really just fails in the face of the capabilities of the actual system. Like, it's OK to shout and scream about LIDAR and supervision and disengagement and all. But... it still drives itself! Really well.

The problem is that if it drives well for 30,000 miles (unsupervised) on residential roads before steam rolling little billy on his bike, you will get a deluge of people who swear the system is excellent. But when you incorporate that tech into a fleet doing 100k residential miles a week with no supervisor, your mowing down 12 kids a month.

How many kids has it steamrollered? Obviously not 12 a month! Seems like this is an argument to be had with real numbers, no?

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by kentonv »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #32

Interventions Elon, interventions. Tesla really trying to engineer good will, and unsurprisingly only using their own data, which paves over things like "driver intervention prevented FSD from crashing in this instance" or "FSD disengaged 2s before crash, therefore driver error". Rather than play statistics games with self-reported dressed up supervised driving data to try and trick people into rolling the mortality…

How do you meaningfully count interventions, though?

I intervene on FSD all the time, but only due to differences of opinion, like I want to take a different route, or I think it's being too cautious, or I want to change lanes earlier / later than it decided to. In a year of use I can't remember a time when I intervened to prevent an accident.

So if you just looked at number of interventions in my data, it doesn't really tell you anything except that I'm too much of a control freak to just let it do its thing...

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by kentonv »

jhot wrote: post #53

But how many of those miles are spent hanging out in the left lane of a highway while other drivers, having to pass on the right, send death stares to the person in the passenger seat?

In my experience FSD doesn't like staying in the left lane. It'll use it to pass but then gets out of it as soon as it can. Often too soon as it just has to shift left again to pass the next car...

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by doph »

tomrod wrote: post #39
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #7

I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I originally got the car in 2019 which was pretty janky, it has only gotten better and better (with the rare regression in some cases). As of the last year or so, I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore!

Yeah, I'll be honest, that sounds awful. I like public transit and I like driving myself. Hybridizing with me in the drivers seat but not touching the wheel sounds annoying and tiresome.

I share this opinion. I've used FSD quite a bit during the free trial periods and each time come away with the sense that it's like driving with a newly licensed teenager at the wheel. If I have to be as alert and ready to avoid an accident as when I'm in command of the car, then this offers no improvement to the experience, just an added layer of stress trying to anticipate the actions of yet another actor in the environment.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

Keyframe wrote: post #38
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #7

I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I originally got the car in 2019 which was pretty janky, it has only gotten better and better (with the rare regression in some cases). As of the last year or so, I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore!

I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore! Is that legal where you live?

It is legal. I still have to pay attention to the road. There is attention monitoring using the in-cabin camera which falls back to steering wheel torque detection if the cabin illumination is too low.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

303uru wrote: post #46
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #7

I use it every single day and it is amazing! I have had my car for 6+ years now and it has only gotten better. Starting with "Navigate on Autopilot" when I originally got the car in 2019 which was pretty janky, it has only gotten better and better (with the rare regression in some cases). As of the last year or so, I don't even have to touch the steering wheel anymore!

What kind of setting do you live in? I live in the outskirts of Denver (Cherry Creek) and commute downtown and I have to intervene all the time.

Los Angeles suburb - my commute is either highways or city streets depending on the traffic. It works really well here.
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