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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Note that association's site is made from this free template [1] with minimal editing (can see it using diff). The web hosting account at name.com (prices starting from $5/year) was registered around Jan 12, 2025 [2]. The page also contains commented out section with a part of French mobile phone number and words "Emergency Standard" (the template contained fictional number here): Emergency Standard --> [1] https://w…

Quite possible that's just some bureaucrats kids running that site in exchange for EU grants. In fact in couple of countries that's precisely the case.

Well then, that would be a very interesting thing to watch when it happens!

From the article, the penalty for a false report:

> ...shall be punished by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15,000.

Side note, would anybody know how "easily" do political elites get off the hook in France?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

#132

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They probably just set user agent (and reverse DNS name) to Google or some other company that can bypass the firewall.

This seems the most likely way it works. Which makes me unsympathetic to publishers who complain about it. Digital distribution will always have this issue. Substack goes from strength to strength because they don't give an inch on the paywall.

Maybe they also use Google Cloud to look more convincing.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

I've given up on trying to change the world.

> What will the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day.

That's the problem.

This "us" you're referring to. People. They're the problem. They have no principles. They stand for nothing. They think they do, but the reality is their principles are easily compromised. They are highly susceptible to manipulation by way of emotion. Powerful emotions like terror and rage.

Conjure up some drug trafficking, money laundering, child molesting terrorist boogeyman and they'll compromise immediately. Suddenly freedom is being traded away for security. Suddenly free speech is no longer absolute. Then you see that these weren't principles that entire nations were founded upon, they were more like guidelines, thrown away at the first sign of inconvenience.

The harsh truth is that danger must not only be accepted but embraced in order to have true freedom and independence. The internet that connects us also connects criminals, the cryptography that protects us also protects criminals. There is no way around it. Compromise even a little and it's over.

People are the problem. They endlessly compromise on things. No ideal can ever be reached. It's an existential problem that cannot be solved.

To be an idealist is to be an extremist. Sadly people are not prepared to pay the costs of idealism. The ideal of a decentralized, encrypted and uncensorable communications medium, for example. It requires that they accept the cost that criminals will not only use it but be enabled by it. They won't accept it. Thus we march not towards the ideal but towards its opposite: centralized plain text surveilled and controlled communications.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.

I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn" Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.

I am imagining the consequences of that headline and there are none. If you disagree maybe you should imagine some of the real headlines that have occurred lately and check your imagination against reality. Federal agents are actively encouraged to violate your civil and constitutional rights. Those consequences live only in your imagination

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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post #110

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Quite possible that's just some bureaucrats kids running that site in exchange for EU grants. In fact in couple of countries that's precisely the case.

Well then, that would be a very interesting thing to watch when it happens! From the article, the penalty for a false report: > ...shall be punished by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15,000. Side note, would anybody know how "easily" do political elites get off the hook in France?

But apparently there was actual CSAM there, since the article mentioned that archive.is removed it within a few hours. So the claim was real. Why did they make up such a story around it?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn" Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.

> I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" What were the repercussions of this: "FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images" ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-websi... )

"The Justice Department said in court filings that agents did not post any child pornography to the site themselves"

"The FBI kept Playpen online for 13 days"

"There was no other way we could identify as many players"

I think the normal person would think this is worth while to catch more pedophiles, hence why this would work politically. However, you can read by the tone of the article that even this drew a lot of rage.

Imagine the FBI agents collecting CSAM, uploading it to websites for the purpose of... preventing copyright infringement

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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It's the same technique that people on Reddit use to take down subreddits that don't agree with the carefully curated "hive mind".

I don’t know why you are downvoted, this is absolutely what happened semi-frequently until Reddit was finally forced to crack down on it. The same thing happened on Twitter/X for a while where bots would mass reply to targeted users with gore and CSAM.

Because even though it definitely happened, it's one of those things you cannot prove and that don't really get recorded anywhere.

It also doesn't help that there is not even a time reference here. I want to say somewhere around 2018? Maybe earlier? Gamergate era? CTR?

There are pieces of internet history which are a "either you were there or you weren't" kind of deal. Like how the implementation of image posts in Reddit was very controversial, with concerns of the quality of the site going down. Wrong side won that one.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Can you provide link at least? I am not sure what railroading a person involves..

They are referring to how there’s a belief in some parts of Massachusetts that the police are trying to frame Karen Reid for the death of John O Keefe (0). At its climax it was all over the news, it was discussed at a lot of water coolers, and there were even billboards bought by the highway to show support and draw attention to the court case. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_O%27Keefe

The amount of evidence described in the Wikipedia entry that relies on mobile data is both fascinating and jarring; step counts, battery temperature, automobile software, Ring cameras...wow.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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I speculate, and the conspiracy theorist in me believes, something of a compromising nature has been archived and they want that data inaccessible, but at the same time, pointing out what they want hidden would shine a light on it. It is even more interesting the US government is coming after archive.today at the same time, or maybe that is just a coincidence, and this is just a tech-savvy philanderer trying to hide…

This seems to me to be the most likely explanation. Someone important and/or rich wants something memory-holed and the archive sites are amongst the last to contain the content, so someone else is creating a facade organization as an attempt to get it taken down in every way possible. And yes it's entirely possible that the archive sites have multiple "enemies".

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

> Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations.

This looks like someone in US (because FBI + CSAM) does not like them.

A lot of "sensitive" content is behind paywalls in the "free press" so someone, possibly FBI, wants to suppress this info.

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