Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…
> KF/SaSu/SF
SaSu: Sanctioned Suicide [1]
But I don't know what KF and SF are supposed to stand for.
That would work but it is a very risky technique. For the mere mortal in your example this means possible jail time just to get some site closed down. For law enforcement personnel, at the very least would mean an end of a career if caught (also possible jail time)
You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.
I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn"
Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.
The amount of forces seemingly actively trying to kill the internet of old is disconcerting. Chat control, DNS as arbiter of whats allowed, walled gardens etc.
I used the site several times to archive some page or send it to someone who cannot access the site directly. I never archived anything illegal and never stumbled upon illegal things there. So I don't know why they want to arrest the owner. Also the site is pretty advanced, it can handle complicated sites and even social networks. > But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls How? Does the site pay for subscri…
France possibly found a way to pressure Durov into cooperating. Preempting similar actions by Russia. Classic intelligence methods to get someone to come over to the other side.
Perhaps the DGSE also got to plug a cable in to the Telegram infrastructure, which would be huge plus for them and the west in general not in the least because of the war. You could say France has pwnd Durov.
If I'm not mistaken some significant arrest was made shortly after they captured Durov, in the case of this child exploitation stuff.
I guess it might fall under a bulletproof hosting type of setup. [1] There have been many people investigating to try and figure out who owns & operates who is actually behind archive[.]today and how they're continuously able to bypass the paywalls of paid sites, continue operating with such large infrastructure with no apparent income source. There was quite a good article posted here on HN about someone trying to f…
Isn't it just a question of pretending to be a search bot ? Sites will allow google bot to bypass the paywall so stuff gets indexed.
I used the site several times to archive some page or send it to someone who cannot access the site directly. I never archived anything illegal and never stumbled upon illegal things there. So I don't know why they want to arrest the owner. Also the site is pretty advanced, it can handle complicated sites and even social networks. > But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls How? Does the site pay for subscri…
>> But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls > How? Does the site pay for subscription for every newspaper? Someone with a subscription logs into the site, then archives it. Archive.is uses the current user's session and can therefore see the paywalled content.
Do they have such an option? I don't see it on the site, and the browser extension seems to send only the URL [1] to the server. Can you provide more information?
Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…
> KF/SaSu/SF SaSu: Sanctioned Suicide [1] But I don't know what KF and SF are supposed to stand for. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide
I used the site several times to archive some page or send it to someone who cannot access the site directly. I never archived anything illegal and never stumbled upon illegal things there. So I don't know why they want to arrest the owner. Also the site is pretty advanced, it can handle complicated sites and even social networks. > But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls How? Does the site pay for subscri…
>> But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls > How? Does the site pay for subscription for every newspaper? Someone with a subscription logs into the site, then archives it. Archive.is uses the current user's session and can therefore see the paywalled content.
Does it still leak your IP, e.g. if the page rendered by the site you're archiving includes it? You'd think they'd create a simple filter to redact that out.
That would work but it is a very risky technique. For the mere mortal in your example this means possible jail time just to get some site closed down. For law enforcement personnel, at the very least would mean an end of a career if caught (also possible jail time)
You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.
Indeed, if you're paying attention to local news in Massachusetts, you might be shocked, or not, that cops from Canton, Boston, and the Massachusetts state police, and the county District Attorney, and judges, are all complicit in railroading a woman who was dating a cop who was likely killed by another cop. The web of deceit is so thick, it can't have been just for this one case. It must be long-standing and pervasive and there must be many victims. It's also unlikely that Massachusetts is the worst place in the US in this respect.
If they were any good at it, they'd have blocked the Internet Archive via robots.txt. For some inexplicable reason, IA responds to that by wiping out past, present, and future archivals of that site. They haven't taken that easy step, so I doubt they'd go the further, more involved step of focusing on this smaller actor.
The Wayback Machine has ignored robots.txt for a few years at this point. The only way to get them to stop scraping or remove content is by asking them directly.