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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by simion314 » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:20 PM UTC

stef25 wrote: post #64

codedokode wrote: post #25

I used the site several times to archive some page or send it to someone who cannot access the site directly. I never archived anything illegal and never stumbled upon illegal things there. So I don't know why they want to arrest the owner. Also the site is pretty advanced, it can handle complicated sites and even social networks. > But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls How? Does the site pay for subscri…

France possibly found a way to pressure Durov into cooperating. Preempting similar actions by Russia. Classic intelligence methods to get someone to come over to the other side. Perhaps the DGSE also got to plug a cable in to the Telegram infrastructure, which would be huge plus for them and the west in general not in the least because of the war. You could say France has pwnd Durov. If I'm not mistaken some signific…

>You could say France has pwnd Durov.

The Telegram dude is still pushing Ruzzian propaganda and is interfering in other countries elections for proRuzzian forces. So from the facts I can say Telegram and it's boss are a KGB asset, not sure what France managed to get from the guy or it was all a KGB propaganda operation to make idiots think Telegram is not controlled by KGB.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by codedokode » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:22 PM UTC

Plasmoid2000ad wrote: post #53

A_Venom_Roll wrote: post #32

Archive.is doesn't work on all sites to bypass the paywall. Media companies that are truly concerned about this should modify their paywall configuration.

I've seen some theories or maybe more like guesses as to how the paywall bypass works - I don't think anyone (or at least no one posting places like here) seems to know. One I saw suggested they've a set of subscriptions to the paywalled sites and some minimal custom work to hide the signed in account used - which seems plausible. That makes the defense most likely used to catch the account used and ban them - which…

They probably just set user agent (and reverse DNS name) to Google or some other company that can bypass the firewall.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by salawat » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:24 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #46

The amount of forces seemingly actively trying to kill the internet of old is disconcerting. Chat control, DNS as arbiter of whats allowed, walled gardens etc.

I mean, DNS has always kinda been a layer of communication control in the sense that every website is a statement, and if you cut off the ability for a group of people to congregate around a nominative handle, you've basically societally black holed them in the great Interlocution.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by matheusmoreira » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:25 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #46

The amount of forces seemingly actively trying to kill the internet of old is disconcerting. Chat control, DNS as arbiter of whats allowed, walled gardens etc.

The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders.

I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization.

I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one of the wonders of humanity.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by phyzome » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:25 PM UTC

clort wrote: post #75

Zigurd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, if you're paying attention to local news in Massachusetts, you might be shocked, or not, that cops from Canton, Boston, and the Massachusetts state police, and the county District Attorney, and judges, are all complicit in railroading a woman who was dating a cop who was likely killed by another cop. The web of deceit is so thick, it can't have been just for this one case. It must be long-standing and pervasi…

Can you provide link at least? I am not sure what railroading a person involves..

They're referring to the Karen Read case.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by math-ias » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:26 PM UTC

clort wrote: post #75

Zigurd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, if you're paying attention to local news in Massachusetts, you might be shocked, or not, that cops from Canton, Boston, and the Massachusetts state police, and the county District Attorney, and judges, are all complicit in railroading a woman who was dating a cop who was likely killed by another cop. The web of deceit is so thick, it can't have been just for this one case. It must be long-standing and pervasi…

Can you provide link at least? I am not sure what railroading a person involves..

They are referring to how there’s a belief in some parts of Massachusetts that the police are trying to frame Karen Reid for the death of John O Keefe (0). At its climax it was all over the news, it was discussed at a lot of water coolers, and there were even billboards bought by the highway to show support and draw attention to the court case.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_O%27Keefe

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by phyzome » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:26 PM UTC

breppp wrote: post #37

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

That would work but it is a very risky technique. For the mere mortal in your example this means possible jail time just to get some site closed down. For law enforcement personnel, at the very least would mean an end of a career if caught (also possible jail time)

Law enforcement has already done such things and I've never heard of consequences for it.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by phyzome » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:27 PM UTC

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #61

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

> KF/SaSu/SF SaSu: Sanctioned Suicide [1] But I don't know what KF and SF are supposed to stand for. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide

KF would be KiwiFarms

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by itopaloglu83 » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:27 PM UTC

rkagerer wrote: post #68

pards wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls > How? Does the site pay for subscription for every newspaper? Someone with a subscription logs into the site, then archives it. Archive.is uses the current user's session and can therefore see the paywalled content.

Does it still leak your IP, e.g. if the page rendered by the site you're archiving includes it? You'd think they'd create a simple filter to redact that out.

I’m not advocating for it but;

Websites like newspapers might soon put indicator words on the page, not just simple subscriber numbers that can be replaced, to show who is viewing the page which would make it way to archives.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by _blk » Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 2:28 PM UTC

mattmaroon wrote: post #14

nikanj wrote: post #4

archive.is is frequently used to bypass paywalls, I wonder if this is motivated by that somehow

100%. It's like Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit… and, uh, uh, you know… You know, you'll uh, uh—well, you know what I'm trying to say…

It's a valid way to look for probable cause but it's important differ "you know" and "you assume" - I'm all for accountability but most conspiracy theories thrive exactly because of that sort of framing.

As to Lenin: The mouse died because it didn't understand why the cheese was free