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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

jasonsb wrote: post #111
url00 wrote: post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Engagement Metrics 2.0 are here. Getting your answer in one shot is not cool anymore. You need to waste as much time as possible on OpenAI's platform. Enshittification is now more important than AGI.

This is the AI equivalent of every recipe blog filled with 1000 words of backstory before the actual recipe just to please the SEO Gods

The new boss, same as the old boss

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by abeppu »

halifaxbeard wrote: post #153
angrydev wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

How would you propose we address the therapist shortage then?

I think therapists in training, or people providing crisis intervention support, can train/practice using LLMs acting as patients going through various kinds of issues. But people who need help should probably talk to real people.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by mlsu »

nlh wrote: post #38

What's remarkable to me is how deep OpenAI is going on "ChatGPT as communication partner / chatbot", as opposed to Anthropic's approach of "Claude as the best coding tool / professional AI for spreadsheets, etc.". I know this is marketing at play and OpenAI has plenty of resources developed to advancing their frontier models, but it's starting to really come into view that OpenAI wants to replace Google and be the de…

I think this is because Anthropic has principles and OpenAI does not.

Anthropic seems to treat Claude like a tool, whereas OpenAI treats it more like a thinking entity.

In my opinion, the difference between the two approaches is huge. If the chatbot is a tool, the user is ultimately in control; the chatbot serves the user and the approach is to help the user provide value. It's a user-centric approach. If the chatbot is a companion on the other hand, the user is far less in control; the chatbot manipulates the user and the approach is to integrate the chatbot more and more into the user's life. The clear user-centric approach is muddied significantly.

In my view, that is kind of the fundamental difference between these two companies. It's quite significant.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by admdly »

Someone1234 wrote: post #30

Unfortunately no word on "Thinking Mini" getting fixed. Before GPT-5 was released it used to be a perfect compromise between a "dumb" non-Thinking model and a SLOW Thinking model. However, something went badly wrong within the GPT-5 release cycle, and today it is exactly the same speed (or SLOWER) than their Thinking model even with Extended Thinking enabled, making it completely pointless. In essence Thinking Mini e…

In my opinion I think it’s possible to infer by what has been said[1], and the lack of a 5.1 “Thinking mini” version, that it has been folded into 5.1 Instant with it now deciding when and how much to “think”. I also suspect 5.1 Thinking will be expected to dynamically adapt to fill in the role somewhat given the changes there.

[1] “GPT‑5.1 Instant can use adaptive reasoning to decide when to *think before responding*”

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by timpera »

schmeichel wrote: post #4

Gemini 2.5 Pro is still my go to LLM of choice. Haven't used any OpenAI product since it released, and I don't see any reason why I should now.

For some reason, Gemini 2.5 Pro seems to struggle a little with the French language. For example, it always uses title case even when it's wrong; yet ChatGPT, Claude, and Grok never make this mistake.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by qsort »

engeljohnb wrote: post #107

Seems like people here are pretty negative towards a "conversational" AI chatbot. Chatgpt has a lot of frustrations and ethical concerns, and I hate the sycophancy as much as everyone else, but I don't consider being conversational to be a bad thing. It's just preference I guess. I understand how someone who mostly uses it as a google replacement or programming tool would prefer something terse and efficient. I fall…

> I've dreamed about a computer assistant that can respond to natural language

When we dreamed about this as kids, we were dreaming about Data from Star Trek, not some chatbot that's been focus grouped and optimized for engagement within an inch of its life. LLMs are useful for many things and I'm a user myself, even staying within OpenAI's offerings, Codex is excellent, but as things stand anthropomorphizing models is a terrible idea and amplifies the negative effects of their sycophancy.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by egorfine »

url00 wrote: post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Enable "Robot" personality. I hate all the other modes.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by Dilettante_ »

>GPT‑5.1 Thinking’s responses are also clearer, with less jargon and fewer undefined terms

Oh yeah that's what I want when asking a technical question! Please talk down to me, call a spade an earth-pokey-stick and don't ever use a phrase or concept I don't know because when I come face-to-face with something I don't know yet I feel deep insecurity and dread instead of seeing an opportunity to learn!

But I assume their data shows that this is exactly how their core target audience works.

Better instruction-following sounds lovely though.

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