5.1 Instant is clearly aimed at the people using it for emotional advice etc, but I'm excited about the adaptive reasoning stuff - thinking models are great when you need them, but they take ages to respond sometimes.
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#32Gemini 2.5 Pro is still my go to LLM of choice. Haven't used any OpenAI product since it released, and I don't see any reason why I should now.
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#33I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.
Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.
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#34All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.
Id have more appreciation and trust in an llm that disagreed with me more and challenged my opinions or prior beliefs. The sycophancy drives me towards not trusting anything it says.
Just set a global prompt to tell it what kind of tone to take.
I did that and it points out flaws in my arguments or data all the time.
Plus it no longer uses any cutesy language. I don't feel like I'm talking to an AI "personality", I feel like I'm talking to a computer which has been instructed to be as objective and neutral as possible.
It's super-easy to change.
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#35Since Claude and OpenAI made it clear they will be retaining all of my prompts, I have mostly stopped using them. I should probably cancel my MAX subscriptions. Instead I'm running big open source models and they are good enough for ~90% of tasks. The main exceptions are Deep Research (though I swear it was better when I could choose o3) and tougher coding tasks (sonnet 4.5)
Source? You can opt out of training, and delete history, do they keep the prompts somehow?!
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#36Despite all the attempts to rein in sycophanty in GPT-5, it was still way too fucking sycophantic as a default.
My main concern is that they're re-tuning it now to make it even MORE sycophantic, because 4o taught them that it's great for user retention.
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#37Since Claude and OpenAI made it clear they will be retaining all of my prompts, I have mostly stopped using them. I should probably cancel my MAX subscriptions. Instead I'm running big open source models and they are good enough for ~90% of tasks. The main exceptions are Deep Research (though I swear it was better when I could choose o3) and tougher coding tasks (sonnet 4.5)
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#38What's remarkable to me is how deep OpenAI is going on "ChatGPT as communication partner / chatbot", as opposed to Anthropic's approach of "Claude as the best coding tool / professional AI for spreadsheets, etc.".
I know this is marketing at play and OpenAI has plenty of resources developed to advancing their frontier models, but it's starting to really come into view that OpenAI wants to replace Google and be the default app / page for everyone on earth to talk to.
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#39I think OpenAI and all the other chat LLMs are going to face a constant battle to match personality with general zeitgeist and as the user base expands the signal they get is increasingly distorted to a blah median personality.
It's a form of enshittification perhaps. I personally prefer some of the GPT-5 responses compared to GPT-5.1. But I can see how many people prefer the "warmth" and cloying nature of a few of the responses.
In some sense personality is actually a UX differentiator. This is one way to differentiate if you're a start-up. Though of course OpenAI and the rest will offer several dials to tune the personality.
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#40Holy em-dash fest in the examples, would have thought they'd augment the training dataset to reduce this behavior.