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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Engagement Metrics 2.0 are here. Getting your answer in one shot is not cool anymore. You need to waste as much time as possible on OpenAI's platform. Enshittification is now more important than AGI.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

I think it's extremely important to distinguish being friendly (perhaps overly so), and agreeing with the user when they're wrong

The first case is just preference, the second case is materially damaging

From my experience, ChatGPT does push back more than it used to

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#113

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Personal requests are 70% of usage https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34255/w342...

If you include API usage, personal requests are approximately 0% of total usage, rounded to the nearest percentage.

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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post #82

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Unfortunately, I also don't want other people to interact with a sycophantic robot friend, yet my picker only applies to my conversation

Sorry that you can't control other peoples lives & wants

ChatGPT 5.2: allow others to control everything about your conversations. Crowd favorite!

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal requests are 70% of usage https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34255/w342...

If you include API usage, personal requests are approximately 0% of total usage, rounded to the nearest percentage.

I don't think this is true. ChatGPT has 800 million active weekly users.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#118
post #28

I'm excited to see whether the instruction following improvements play out in the use of Codex. The biggest issue I'e seen _by far_ with using GPT models for coding has been their inability to follow instructions... and also their tendency to duplicate-act on messages from up-thread instead of acting on what you just asked for.

I've only had that happen when I use /compact, so I just avoid compacting altogether on Codex/Claude. No great loss and I'm extremely skeptical anyway that the compacted summary will actually distill the specific actionable details I want.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal requests are 70% of usage https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34255/w342...

If you include API usage, personal requests are approximately 0% of total usage, rounded to the nearest percentage.

Are you sure about that?

"The share of Technical Help declined from 12% from all usage in July 2024 to around 5% a year later – this may be because the use of LLMs for programming has grown very rapidly through the API (outside of ChatGPT), for AI assistance in code editing and for autonomous programming agents (e.g. Codex)."

Looks like people moving to the API had a rather small effect.

"[T]he three most common ChatGPT conversation topics are Practical Guidance, Writing, and Seeking Information, collectively accounting for nearly 78% of all messages. Computer Programming and Relationships and Personal Reflection account for only 4.2% and 1.9% of messages respectively."

Less than five percent of requests were classified as related to computer programming. Are you really, really sure that like 99% of such requests come from people that are paying for API access?

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