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I think I understand what you said :)
LOL - sorry I am drunk..... Dang - I wish someone would remember....
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Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
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Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
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Yeah, that's what a lot of people seem to be missing here: there's mention of an open-source organization on GitHub but no mention that fat and mdo want to start working on Bootstrap full-time and make money off of it.
I didn't see where in the post, or comments here where that was said. Do you have a source?
The grandparent of my comment, for instance.
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
#53Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…
Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here.
As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best.
For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developing Foundation, it's important for me to make sure they receive credit for the contributions they have made to the design community that extend beyond what Mark remember's Bootstrap to be (or wants it to be) or what Foundation has become. The first iteration of Bootstrap emerged from the work ZURB did over the last few years prototyping with our clients. In fact, the initial Bootstrap push had direct lines of code and copy taken from ZURB's work on what today is Foundation 1.0.
When you see Mark's history conveniently rewritten as "I developed Bootstrap," it's important for me to make sure that those who contributed to it's initial core from ZURB are recognized. There were many ZURBians who put countless hours into writing code and laying down the vision for a css framework before Mark "envisioned" this solution for his Twitter engineers. Talented designers at ZURB even shared that vision with Mark as part of our refinement of Foundation 2.0 before it was launched.
Foundation (http://foundation.zurb.com) is fine and kicking and we benefit from the global awareness of css-frameworks. ZURB is quite happy about that and we'll continue to evolve our solution to benefit the community. I want to make sure talented product designers like Jonathan Smiley and Matt Kelly, who helped envisioned the idea, get credit for their contributions for making stuff like this possible. These guys are my heroes and I hope that you see that as well in the code they write and share.
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
#54Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…
Thanks for the Bootstrap! Been using it for a while now and having fun with it. I never tried front-end framework before but Bootstrap made my life easier!
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
#55Hm, I'll be the asshole and point out something that to me is kind of obvious: Bootstrap isn't mainstream enough to warrant it's own foundation/organization. Just looking at the caliber of other projects that have gone this way (at the top of my head: Apache, Drupal, Django, Zope...) and looking at Boostrap I don't think it's even close to the userbase/clout needed to pull this off. Even the maintainers of those othe…
> Bootstrap isn't mainstream enough to warrant it's own foundation/organization What do you mean by "not mainstream enough?" Organizations on Github are simply a convenient place to put one or more projects that are collectively worked on by a group of individuals and do not necessarily have a single core maintainer.
Sorry, what I meant by "mainstream" is "have enough of a following". You can say a lot of good things about Bootstrap, and to be fair most of them are probably right, but even when you compare to other jQuery libraries/framework it must have... what, maybe 5% of the users? Also, it's a very young project, it's not an established de facto piece of technology like Django is when it comes to Python web frameworks, Rails to Ruby web frameworks, or Apache is to HTTP servers.
Did I make myself a bit clearer? :)
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#56It would be great if Bootstrap becomes a part of Apache Software Foundation
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
#57Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…
Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…
If you had invented Bootstrap, you would have invented Bootstrap.
Assuming what you are saying is true, credit would have been nice though.
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
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> Bootstrap isn't mainstream enough to warrant it's own foundation/organization What do you mean by "not mainstream enough?" Organizations on Github are simply a convenient place to put one or more projects that are collectively worked on by a group of individuals and do not necessarily have a single core maintainer.
Sorry, what I meant by "mainstream" is "have enough of a following". You can say a lot of good things about Bootstrap, and to be fair most of them are probably right, but even when you compare to other jQuery libraries/framework it must have... what, maybe 5% of the users? Also, it's a very young project, it's not an established de facto piece of technology like Django is when it comes to Python web frameworks, Rails…
While it's not nearly as old as those projects, it may be used by the same order of magnitude of people. Both bootstrap and jQuery itself are officially hosted on Github:
jQuery - 16,896 watching, 2,314 forks
bootstrap - 38,026 watching, 8,836 forks
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
#59Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…
Congrats Github!
Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter
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Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…
If you had invented Bootstrap, you would have invented Bootstrap. Assuming what you are saying is true, credit would have been nice though.
Because history clearly shows that the rightful people always get credit. Ignoring things like Edison vs. Swan (invention of light bulb), or Marconi vs. Tesla (invention of radio), and likely hundreds of others cases that could be listed if I felt like typing that much. I know nothing about GP's post/claim, but dismissing claims offhand with some glib line from a movie is not really adding much enlightenment.