Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#21

Post by seanmalarkey » Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 11:41 PM UTC

coderdude wrote: post #13

Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

Off topic - Does anyone here remember the post someone wrote awhile here about how they got a boat load of hits by basically paying attention to what was popular here and then writing about it? Thanks in advance...

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#22

Post by evanwalsh » Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 11:43 PM UTC

howardr wrote: post #20

mratzloff wrote: post #19

It's interesting that they both left at the same time. There must have been an internal disagreement about their role in relation to Bootstrap--or perhaps Twitter is just a really sad place to work these days.

They didn't. I believe Jacob left few weeks ago.

It'd be one thing if the left between a few years of each other, but to only be separated by a few weeks? The proximity of the events cannot be ignored.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#23

Post by 8ig8 » Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 11:49 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #16

coderdude wrote: post #13

Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

The whole "lets use jQuery without learning Javascript" thing didn't work out so well for the community.

Just a data point. I'm not saying I was right, but I learned to use jQuery first, which then lead me to learn vanilla JavaScript. Basic jQuery implementation (carousel, slider, slideshow, etc) was like following a recipe. It got me early gains. I eventually needed more custom work so I then dove (and continue to dive) into JavaScript.

I can see the same path for an HTML/CSS beginner.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#24

Post by jjjjjosh » Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 11:52 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #16

coderdude wrote: post #13

Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

The whole "lets use jQuery without learning Javascript" thing didn't work out so well for the community.

If not for jQuery, I'd have probably never learned Javascript, because I would have gotten frustrated with dealing with weird cross-browser gotchas too much to ever get anything done.

As I learned I wrote a lot of code I'm not too proud of, looking back on it. But I grew to learn and love Javascript and I honestly have jQuery to thank for that.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#25

Post by bertomartin » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:03 AM UTC

coderdude wrote: post #13

Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

I like bootstrap, but only for bootstrapping my project...or using it for backend/admin styling. Bootstrap is really just a style guide (with some good styles for layout), however if you've got design comps to work from, it's probably better to make your own style guide. I mean, if they could somehow accomplish making this process easier, then that'd be a game changer: basically less like a framework and more like a library.

EDIT a good example: If you wanted to rebuild hacker news, would you start with bootstrap? I wouldn't

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#26

Post by pearkes » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:03 AM UTC

nodesocket wrote: post #17

Anybody else notice that the date in the post is set to Sept 29th? Do you think this was supposed to be published tomorrow instead of today?

Probably just a typo, I posted after reading this: https://twitter.com/mdo/status/251806421715390464

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#27

Post by dguaraglia » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:13 AM UTC

Hm, I'll be the asshole and point out something that to me is kind of obvious: Bootstrap isn't mainstream enough to warrant it's own foundation/organization.

Just looking at the caliber of other projects that have gone this way (at the top of my head: Apache, Drupal, Django, Zope...) and looking at Boostrap I don't think it's even close to the userbase/clout needed to pull this off. Even the maintainers of those other projects, successful as they are, tend to have a day job.

I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I think it might be a little to early to make this move. Just my 2c.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#28

Post by mattmanser » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:20 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #16

coderdude wrote: post #13

Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

The whole "lets use jQuery without learning Javascript" thing didn't work out so well for the community.

Given that for a long while many JavaScript answers on SO were 'use jQuery' for very good reasons I can't help but think you're a bit out of touch.

Actually a bit is being kind. It's rare to come across a site not using jQuery. I write a fair few personal scraping scripts and it's very rare I actually have to add jQuery.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#29

Post by gwf » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:21 AM UTC

Does this mean we can finally have semicolons?

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#30

Post by danso » Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 12:27 AM UTC

evanwalsh wrote: post #22

howardr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't. I believe Jacob left few weeks ago.

It'd be one thing if the left between a few years of each other, but to only be separated by a few weeks? The proximity of the events cannot be ignored.

Yeah...assuming a standard two weeks notice policy, this doesn't seem to be coincidental