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I Want You to Understand Chicago
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.
Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...
The DHS and ICE just randomly changed rules to this articles "expedited" process, officially declared that no paper documents count - only their homebrew app, and are now engaging mass raids without evidence or warrants that cause damage to people and their property with no means of reconciliation; this includes targeting home-born American citizens.
This article is explicitly reactive and says so itself! None of these documents mean just about anything anymore - yesterday it was A, today it is B, tomorrow it is C. The rule of law has broken down in America.
We've seen an entire national campaign about a man deported to a prison in a country he was being protected from. The administration has been caught with numerous citizens now. While arguing they have no requirement of due process and have a right to deport anyone anywhere they please.
There's not negative value, you should still do it and hope there's still someone to stop them somewhere in the process. But believing this is simply a matter of "getting your papers in order" or explaining how "this is a bad idea" to them is nuts... as if the Nazis ever cared about the papers. If a Nazi official wanted you gone, you were gone. That's how fascism works.
And before I hear anyone say "oh, please, Nazis, don't be irrational", Greg Bovino is effectively the commander-at-large of CBP. Today he did a Nazi salute in front of a crowd of people.
And that's what America is, just 10 months in. An authoritarian police state with a Gestapo that's rapidly escalating. With no one left to stop them, it seems, what with local LEO and the NG and SCOTUS and Congress all being in on the game.
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#383I have family in the US but there's no way I'm visiting them for the foreseeable future.
The US is quickly sliding into the thing they claim to despise: a dictatorship with a populace cowering for their safety and lacking general human rights.
Good luck, America.
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s sad that this has become a political discussion instead of an effort to fix all the horrible problems in the city. Every American citizen deserves due process and a fair punishment. This is outlined in the constitution and its amendments, and is not up for negotiation. If you live in the US and don't believe in these values, I don't see how any other citizen of the US could people like you as anything other th…
> Every American citizen deserves due process Every human being, but yes.
Anyone on US soil - regardless of citizenship status - has a constitutional right to due process.
Whether or not they deserve could be a matter of opinion that has no significance.
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#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
The replacement voters are currently teenagers. They haven't "learned their lesson", they aren't old enough to have experienced politics at all. They were 6 years old when Trump was elected the first time. This is their reality and we can't expect that the electorate gets more sensible because old people rotate out.
https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.newsweek.com/trump-support-among-men-eroding-108... https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-absolutely-craters... Young women are also most liberal than ever, and who carried recent election wins. I expect this trend to continue. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/gallup-analysis-finds-yo... https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-li…
I was told here CharlieXcX would deliver the election.
The votes move in cycles
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think this framing is very helpful. Whatever you believe about the people who pulled the lever for Trump, which included an unprecedented number of Latino and Black voters, they exist, and they're not persuaded by your disapproval. I think a really big problem we have on my side of the aisle is the belief that there's a celestial referee who will call offsides on the Republicans if we can just find the right…
The conservative message machine is determinative, and they would find something to effectively raise a storm about: immigration, inflation, etc. If Biden cut inflation, they would have demonized him regarding employment. Or just make something up - they can say anything at this point, and the Dems and others have made themselves helpless. They will always find something - Biden and Dems were being called pedophiles…
>bipartisan immigration reform
The bill that wasn't required for deportation?
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because detained and arrested is not the same as kidnapping. It’s just not even close.
KIDNAP: To abduct or confine (a person) forcibly, by threat of force, or by deceit, without the authority of law. Care to explain the distinction? They have authority of law?? haha It's terrorism. No crime, no warrant, no due process. Obviously it's not kidnapping by law, because no law applies to ICE. The apartment building scene was a mass kidnapping of US citizens. They've shot US citizens for recording their acti…
>without the authority of law
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#388I recently saw a video of armed, masked ICE terrorists entering a daycare and forcibly dragging a teacher out in front of babies and toddlers. America is sick. Republicans are sick. They condone this and have made no attempt to do anything about it.
>teacher
Citizen or legal immigrant?
Carer or teacher?
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#389> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…
> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested. I view ICE as wholly illegitimate. If I were on the jury in this case, I would vote to acquit Ms. Galeano no matter what the prosecution said, and many people out there who have not said this online would do the same.…
Immigration Enforcement is illegitimate apparently.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
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OP mentions US citizens being detained. Commenter is wondering how other US citizens supporting such activities would feel if their family was detained similarly. Unless you’re talking about citizens of another country that are in favor of these deportations, your comment is plainly illogical.
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