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Censorship
Disagreement is censorship? To make this more substantive and on point, I get the argument you are making -- if there were no "illegals" here, then there would be a stronger job market for the lower end of spectrum. That is true to some degree. It is healthy to discuss the issue, but the discussion should be based on all the facts, not some of the facts, and not made-up facts. Secondly, the article of the thread was…
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Chicago has over 50 millions tourists per year and rising. https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Touris... https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-ho... Is that a lot? Well, Rome - which people the world over would consider a “tourist destination” only has 35M tourists per year. https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ Even Paris is less, around 47M https://parisplaybook.com/pa…
Those are overall visitations. There's no indication that they're vacationing or tourists. Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome? My Mother went to Chicago every year for Emergency Room training. Was she a tourist? Or was she there because Chicago, for all it's problems, has one of the most competent and practiced set of ER doctors in the entire country?
Given that the GDP of the Chicago area is ~5x the GDP of Rome, I suspect the answer is YES!
Chicago: ~900B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area
Rome: ~190B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_metropolitan_area
If you were to take exports as a good proxy for “global business interests”, then the USTR would show you that Chicago exports 57.9B in goods, making Chicago’s exports almost 1/3 of Rome’s entire GDP.
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One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-... So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where…
Yeah? What about being a sworn police officer is it that you think qualifies you to vote? Have you ever worked a shift as an EJ? Do you know how the Illinois/Cook County voting system works?
The system is not as airtight as you purport it to be.
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I am an angry old not-quite suburban white male. My household employs no servants. We mow our own lawn, we rake our own leaves. I know a fair number of people who are US born and have what appears to be a Central American complexion. I imagine much of the HN readership can get by without income for the time it can take a citizen, or someone with perfectly legitimate immigration status, to establish his or her bona fi…
> And have you looked into the big employers, not Harriet Homeowner, but the meat packing plants, to see how carefully they examine documents? The larger an employer's size, the more likely they are to do business with the federal government, which mandates the use of E-Verify.
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The 4th amendment it would seem? Wrongful arrest, unlawful search and seizure, aggravated assault with a lethal weapon...
When? Where? The instances listed in the article are not compelling. Here’s an excerpt from the second article: > According to Homeland Security deputy secretary Tricia McLaughlin, officers were trying to conduct a “targeted traffic stop” of a car registered to a “female illegal alien,” but the male driver “refused to pull the vehicle over.” > “Law enforcement pursued the vehicle before the assailant sped into a shop…
and you not-so-gracefully just elide key facts in the same article like: "the agents were not invited inside the building, did not have a warrant, and were armed with guns while walking into the school with children and teachers present"
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"the woman [...] is a prekindergarten teacher at the school"
even if you think this is someone who ought to be deported, there are many less violent, less traumatic, and far more dignified ways to go about it. Or would you like to endorse masked men with military-grade equipment storming into daycares to arrest women who work with children there?
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Violent resolution of the situation would almost certainly result in a society with even fewer freedoms. That is the historical lesson. Violent resistance to authoritarian takeovers gives them an air of legitimacy they need. That is the whole point of chicago and the attempt in Portland. They want violent resistance to justify crack downs. Instead they look like storm troopers. I am in awe of the restraint of those l…
Republicans are controlled by big business and billionaires. I agree that violence isn't the solution, because to these guys, money talks. What we need is a general strike. Shut the entire country down, teachers, warehouse workers, supermarket employees truckers. Everyone on the streets, refusing to make money for their billionaire bosses. When it hurts their profits, they will relent.
A news station producer was arrested by ICE and the agents peeled away ripping off someone's bumper[0][1] just for her to be released later without charges. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/14/chicago-ice-... 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGI2hMaz5Q
I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID. You know if your children should have them. A real pa…
I know we’re all used to being the problem-solvers in the room, but this is a time where those of us without specific expertise need to take direction from those who do.
This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)
Absolutely everyone I talk to is against ICE's actions and that is the thing giving me hope that it will be defeated by the citizenry.
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The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…
>If you just want to see the people who voted for this as "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't like. "If you point out problems, you yourself are actually the problem. I am very rational." Incredible logic.
Let me try to phrase it differently: ostracization rarely yields positive results, and is more likely to lead to opposite of desired course of action through future radicalization.
In other words, saying that bad people are bad is - as paradoxical as it might be - less likely to making anyone better than make bad people even worse.