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Why, exactly?
Did you read the article? Not wanting to visit countries where secret police are rounding people up, regardless of citizenship, seems like a reasonable opinion.
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
We shouldn’t need to count on voters dying to avoid outcomes like this. Our institutions are broken if they can’t protect the public from a mentally ill public official on a power trip.
The point is that we are not talking about protecting the public from a few mentally ill public officials. These officials didn't just appear out of the ether, they were voted for by tens of millions of voters who want this. Even if the officials go away, those voters are not.
I'm not sure this is the correct perspective on voting. Voters are often passionate about one or two key issues - crime, Israel v Palestine, cost of living, immigration policy, coal towns, Ukraine, military spending, or whatever is most important to them.
If they voted for Trump it doesn't mean they agree with him on immigration and crime. They just have to think it's less important than the positions they do agree with. An effective argument to win over those voters isn't "you're evil and should have better opinions," it's "immigration policy is important too and this one is really bad, plus Trump is doing a bad job on your pet issues."
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#153This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)
I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…
>> What scares me the most is how few people seem to actually know what is happening here.
Submissions like this getting flagged contributes to that.
I mention that because the previous submission with this article got flagged to death.
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I didn’t realize how many scientists crossed the border without papers, claimed asylum, and became professors at research universities
lol. It’s that the immigration policies currently being attempted plus the university grant shenanigans are destroying the stem training / research pipeline
Strange, I know a ton of post docs and there is a lack of opportunities for them right now, both in academia and private sector
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#155Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States.
Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
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I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened in the first place
50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago). This is something of a red herring though as somewhere around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts attention not because of its murde…
Not counting, of course, the 30,177 suicides by American veterans in the wake of the global war on terror.
https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/pape...
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#157Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States.
What is your main source of information about Iran?
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#158I lived in Chicago before this and experienced shootings in my neighborhood every month and carjackings and drug addicts just roaming the streets and wigging out. It makes no sense that habitual criminals are protected and not deported by the local government. I think if the local government worked with ICE to deport criminals, this probably wouldn’t be happening the way that it was. I think the City of Chicago is to…
> It’s sad that this has become a political discussion instead of an effort to fix all the horrible problems in the city.
Every American citizen deserves due process and a fair punishment. This is outlined in the constitution and its amendments, and is not up for negotiation.
If you live in the US and don't believe in these values, I don't see how any other citizen of the US could people like you as anything other than a dangerous and existential threat.
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#159I recently saw a video of armed, masked ICE terrorists entering a daycare and forcibly dragging a teacher out in front of babies and toddlers.
America is sick. Republicans are sick. They condone this and have made no attempt to do anything about it.
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Have some courage and post under your normal account. Throw-aways don't help build community.
Censorship
Disagreement is censorship?
To make this more substantive and on point, I get the argument you are making -- if there were no "illegals" here, then there would be a stronger job market for the lower end of spectrum. That is true to some degree. It is healthy to discuss the issue, but the discussion should be based on all the facts, not some of the facts, and not made-up facts.
Secondly, the article of the thread was talking about how the federal government is spending tens of billions of dollars to put masked goons in unmarked cars, often with no identification of who they are, jumping out of cars and abducting people. If you think this is just about rounding up people who came across the border illegal, you are sadly mistaken. This is about asserting power and terrorizing the regions that didn't vote for Trump.
There are plenty of other undocumented workers in red regions. There are many red states with higher crime rates than the cities ICE is targeting. This isn't about law and order -- it is about intimidation and centralizing power.
It would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so dire, but all the states rights people apparently have no problem with Trump exerting his will in states' business just so long is it is harming "libs".