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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by HeinzStuckeIt »

ryandrake wrote: post #56
metalcrow wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your citation doesn't support your claim

- 74% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the Trump administration is doing the right amount to deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. Another 12% say it’s doing too little and 13% say it’s doing too much. - Nearly nine-in-ten Republicans approve of sending additional U.S. troops to the border (88%) and increasing deportations (86%). More than six-in-ten strongly approve of these actions.…

It looks like the difference in the popular vote was 2,284,967 votes towards R. Do all of those 2,284,967 voters demonstrably overlap with that 86% of the polled Republicans? If not, then claiming that a majority of Americans support every incident in the linked article based on the last election, lacks basis.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by ryandrake »

deepfriedchokes wrote: post #57
toomuchtodo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Margin of victory was ~2M votes, about how many voters 55+ die in a year. Hopefully enough voters have aged out or learned their lesson next time around (considering election results we've seen in the last week or so [1]). You're never going to convince unsavory voters to vote with empathy, the subject brain structure does not support it (anterior insular cortex, primarily), you can only hope they're aging out of the…

We shouldn’t need to count on voters dying to avoid outcomes like this. Our institutions are broken if they can’t protect the public from a mentally ill public official on a power trip.

The point is that we are not talking about protecting the public from a few mentally ill public officials. These officials didn't just appear out of the ether, they were voted for by tens of millions of voters who want this. Even if the officials go away, those voters are not.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

turnsout wrote: post #51
turnsout wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an exaggeration. People have been kidnapped by these armed masked idiots within two blocks of my house twice, and those are just the closest cases I know about. Go check out the /r/Illinois subreddit [0] to see what's happening. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/

And of course now the parent post is "flagged." Thank you, Libertarian overlords, from protecting the tech community from this dangerous content.

I gotchu fam, I’m snapping Full page screenshots of all the commentary here.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by lurk2 »

jghn wrote: post #12
numbsafari wrote: post #10

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What makes you think they didn’t? What makes you think this is the solution to that problem?

I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened in the first place

50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago).

This is something of a red herring though as somewhere around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts attention not because of its murder rate (#22 in the country vs. Detroit at #5), but instead due to the size of its population and the prevalence of violent music that has come out of the region.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by ssl-3 »

ryandrake wrote: post #4
don_neufeld wrote: post #2

I’m so glad that Kyle wrote this. I’m so sad that he had to. Pay attention to what’s going on and vote.

The problem is how many people enthusiastically voted for this madness, lawlessness and cruelty, and are still cheering it on. You can say "vote, vote, vote," and maybe it will work in 2026 or 2028, or 2030 or whenever, but the root problem is not going away: you are still surrounded by people all over the country who want this.

We must always vote. Our voter turnout for elections in the US is approximately shit.

We must also do other things, too: Voting isn't the end-all, be-all solution to everything. (And that's OK; we can do more than one thing at a time.)

But the absolute necessity of actually-voting is a constant, and I'm equipped with a profound amount of intolerance towards any idea that may suggest otherwise.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by itsoktocry »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #50
cgag wrote: post #42

A plumber working on my pipes is upset, his wages are suppressed by competition from illegals getting paid under the table, while his rent has skyrocketed, and his taxes are paying for his illegal competitors food and rent and healthcare.

I'm not from the US, so forgive me for what is probably a dumb question, but how is an illegal receiving money for food, rent, and healthcare? Don't you need documents (aka be legal in the country) for that?

In many instances, no. And that's where a lot of the anger and blow back stems from.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by miltonlost »

itsoktocry wrote: post #66
celsoazevedo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from the US, so forgive me for what is probably a dumb question, but how is an illegal receiving money for food, rent, and healthcare? Don't you need documents (aka be legal in the country) for that?

In many instances, no. And that's where a lot of the anger and blow back stems from.

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by lurk2 »

convolvatron wrote: post #54
blindriver wrote: post #14

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My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's other people being endangered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Chica... you're just throwing shit at the wall

These demonstrations were nominally dedicated to protesting police brutality, not crime, and the policies they advocated for generally had an adverse impact on the crime rate in subsequent years.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by lurk2 »

daseiner1 wrote: post #19
blindriver wrote: post #14

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My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's other people being endangered.

citizens shooting other citizens is radically different than the federal government lighting legal protections on fire and then pissing on the ashes. wholly disingenuous to compare the two. but yours is the standard misdirect on anything "Chicago" so I'm confident being disingenuous was intentional.

What legal protections are being infringed upon?

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by ryandrake »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #61
ryandrake wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- 74% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the Trump administration is doing the right amount to deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. Another 12% say it’s doing too little and 13% say it’s doing too much. - Nearly nine-in-ten Republicans approve of sending additional U.S. troops to the border (88%) and increasing deportations (86%). More than six-in-ten strongly approve of these actions.…

It looks like the difference in the popular vote was 2,284,967 votes towards R. Do all of those 2,284,967 voters demonstrably overlap with that 86% of the polled Republicans? If not, then claiming that a majority of Americans support every incident in the linked article based on the last election, lacks basis.

I'm not saying anything about the majority of the American population. Just that Republicans broadly support these actions. I hope we never get to the point where a majority of the overall public support this.
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