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I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by HeinzStuckeIt »

stavros wrote: post #127
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, my point was that in a close election that depended on a party building coalitions between heterogenous groups of voters, the people in favor of any particular action taken by the elected government may be a minority of the population, not even a slight majority.

Sure, but in a healthy society, such extreme opinions should never even be close enough to a minority large enough to be elected into power. Hopefully, anyway.

Blame it on first-past-the-post. It’s just one of the many ways the Founding Fathers sowed the seeds of a politically unhealthy society.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by celsoazevedo »

don_neufeld wrote: post #114
celsoazevedo wrote: post #88

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It would be interesting to see how that works. Even here in Europe where we usually have a strong(er) social net, the state wouldn't give me a benefit without going through a process requiring documents to prove who I am, my nationality, etc. There are food banks and stuff like that, but that's usually from charities.

Parent comment is talking about working “under the table”, receiving cash off the books for work done. Not government benefits.

I don't think "illegals" means "people receiving money under the table", especially in the context of this thread. It sounds like they're referring to people living illegally in the country. Hence my question about "illegals" receiving benefits when usually we need to have documents to receive any state/government benefit.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by don_neufeld »

epgui wrote: post #129

Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States.

Totally get it.

My parents (Canadian) won’t visit, and haven’t since Trump’s first term.

Keep in mind these are people who were educated in the US (Cornell, RPI, Florida State), and as kids, we used to spend at least a month a year in the US on vacation with their college friends. So not historically haters.

Hell, I just remembered as a kid I spent a whole summer in Chicago. IIRC We stayed in student housing while my dad finished his book (https://archive.org/details/Inside_Commodore_Dos_1984_Datamo...).

Hottest summer of my life and no AC anywhere to be seen.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by rappatic »

> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works

The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get all the way in and was arrested inside the vestibule. None of the kids witnessed the arrest.

Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by Gibbon1 »

lurk2 wrote: post #64
jghn wrote: post #12

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I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened in the first place

50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago). This is something of a red herring though as somewhere around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts attention not because of its murde…

My take the high murder rate among blacks in Chicago is due to Slavery, Jim Crow, followed by decades of racist therefor ineffective policing. That toxic racism is also what's motivating the ICE terrorizing.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by daft_pink »

I lived in Chicago before this and experienced shootings in my neighborhood every month and carjackings and drug addicts just roaming the streets and wigging out.

It makes no sense that habitual criminals are protected and not deported by the local government. I think if the local government worked with ICE to deport criminals, this probably wouldn’t be happening the way that it was.

I think the City of Chicago is totally ineffective at many many things like closing murder cases, keeping habitual criminals locked up, etc etc.

It’s sad that this has become a political discussion instead of an effort to fix all the horrible problems in the city.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

tedivm wrote: post #74
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #58

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The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with why there’s no coverage. If the media had balls, they’d broadcast anyway, license or not.

There's a lot of good independent media looking at this. Some good sources: https://bsky.app/profile/unraveledpress.com https://bsky.app/profile/djbyrnes1.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/thetriibe.com https://bsky.app/profile/prisonculture.bsky.social

When the media wasn’t really a money printing machine for billionaires, this also wasn’t an issue.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by [deleted] »

ryandrake wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #30

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Margin of victory was ~2M votes, about how many voters 55+ die in a year. Hopefully enough voters have aged out or learned their lesson next time around (considering election results we've seen in the last week or so [1]). You're never going to convince unsavory voters to vote with empathy, the subject brain structure does not support it (anterior insular cortex, primarily), you can only hope they're aging out of the…

It's comforting that maybe this mentality is correcting itself one funeral at a time. But what really makes me sad is how this mentality so quickly swept into the country to begin with. 30 years ago, the vast majority of Americans would be horrified at the thought of people being assaulted on the street in broad daylight, black-bagged, kidnapped and disappeared forever by masked, non-identifying thugs. Fast forward 3…

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by pkkim »

blindriver wrote: post #14
numbsafari wrote: post #10

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What makes you think they didn’t? What makes you think this is the solution to that problem?

My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's other people being endangered.

When I lived in Chicago, no one was silent about Chicago's violence. It was widely acknowledged as one of the city's biggest problems and there was a ton of effort put into stopping it by the government and nonprofits, including grassroots initiatives.

To steelman what you're saying, it's true we lived with it so long that it came to seem normal in a way if you weren't personally affected. But "everyone has been silent" is just not true.

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