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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by bakugo »

Semaphor wrote: post #28
high_na_euv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would you give your id?

You don't need to, that's the thing. The site requests "are you over 18" and you use your ID to prove it without them getting any other information from it. Requires a phone with NFC, but the app is open source

How does the site verify that the ID being used for verification is the ID of the person that is actually using the account? How does the site verify that a valid ID was used at all?

If the app is open source, what stops someone from modifying it to always claim the user is over 18 without an ID?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by mothballed »

delecti wrote: post #38
everdrive wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Tylenol is a drug just the same as heroin. Do you think that HN has the same sort of impacts on people as instagram or facebook?

Do you think a law which restricts "social media" will be crafted delicately enough to affect Instagram and Facebook but not HN?

Of course not, instead kids will be logging into some russian/chinese 4chan-esque service which has no qualms about the opinion of US law.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by delusional »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #40
delusional wrote: post #33

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> All citizens are placed under suspicion > No judge is required to order to such monitoring That sounds quite extreme, I just can't square that with what I can actually read in the proposal. > the power to request the competent judicial authority of the Member State that designated it or another independent administrative authority of that Member State It explicitly states otherwise. A judge (or other independent au…

The proposal is about deploying automated scanning of every message and every image on all messaging providers and email client. That is indisputable. It therefore breaks EtoE as it intercepts the messages on your device and sends them off to whatever 3rd party they are planning to use before those are encrypted and sent to the recipient. > It explicitly states otherwise. A judge (or other independent authority) has…

> That is indisputable.

I dispute that. The proposal explicitly states it has to be true that "it is likely, despite any mitigation measures that the provider may have taken or will take, that the service is used, to an appreciable extent for the dissemination of known child sexual abuse material;"

> How can a judge be involved

Because the proposal does not itself require any scanning. It requires Member states to construct an authority that can then mandate the scanning, in collaboration with a judge.

I suggest YOU read the proposal, at least once.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by doctorpangloss »

stickfigure wrote: post #20
tokai wrote: post #9

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With digital ID. They are releasing it in a couple of months. https://digst.dk/it-loesninger/den-digitale-identitetstegneb...

I look forward to being able to buy your porn surfing habits on the darkweb in a few years.

I don't know, this is a bad take. There is good technology to deal with that problem.

https://github.com/google/longfellow-zk

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44457390

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by doctorpangloss »

elric wrote: post #56

The problem is not "social media", that's just an insanely broad and poorly category. HN is probably "social media". Many games are probably "social media". The problem is that certain platforms exploit people for profit by feeding them crap, from political propaganda to ads for weight loss drugs. Many of them are designed to be addictive so folks can keep up "engagement". Enough eyeballs make all crap profitable, or…

I agree that it's a broad category, and that Hacker News is social media.

But of all the problematic advertising you could choose, you choose instead political advertising and semaglutide ads?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by mrtesthah »

arcfour wrote: post #59
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

As a parent, you should be able to parent your child, rather than having the government arbitrarily and capriciously do so on your behalf, and for everyone else's kids, too. As someone who got my first BlackBerry at 11, which really spurred a lot of my later interests which are now part of my career or led to it indirectly, I am opposed to paternalistic authoritarian governments making choices for everyone. (Funny an…

The problem is the kid feeling left out at school when they're the only one without a smartphone and can't participate in their friends' activities.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

delusional wrote: post #6
casesarplus1 wrote: post #3

How will they achieve that without introducing a requirement to identify yourself on every online platform, which some would say is probably the whole reason for introducing something promoted as being "for the children"™.

the EU is working on a system for age verification that won't identify you to the platform. The details are of course complicated, but you can imagine an openid like system run by the government that only exposes if you're old enough for Y. The platforms asks your government if you're old enough. You identify yourself to your government. Your government responds to the question with a single Boolean.

*Only for Google Android and Apple iOS users. Everyone else who don't want to be a customer of these two, including GrapheneOS and LineageOS users, will have to upload scans of identity papers to each service, like the UK clusterfuck.

Source: I wrote Digitaliseringsstyrelsen in Denmark where this solution will be implemented next year as a pilot, and they confirm that the truly anonymous solution will not be offered on other platforms.

Digitaliseringsstyrelsen and EU is truly, utterly fucking us all over by locking us in to the trusted competing platforms offered by the current American duopoly on the smartphone market.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by dlisboa »

arcfour wrote: post #59
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

As a parent, you should be able to parent your child, rather than having the government arbitrarily and capriciously do so on your behalf, and for everyone else's kids, too. As someone who got my first BlackBerry at 11, which really spurred a lot of my later interests which are now part of my career or led to it indirectly, I am opposed to paternalistic authoritarian governments making choices for everyone. (Funny an…

Social media in the early 2000s is nothing like today.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by arcfour »

mrtesthah wrote: post #66
arcfour wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent, you should be able to parent your child, rather than having the government arbitrarily and capriciously do so on your behalf, and for everyone else's kids, too. As someone who got my first BlackBerry at 11, which really spurred a lot of my later interests which are now part of my career or led to it indirectly, I am opposed to paternalistic authoritarian governments making choices for everyone. (Funny an…

The problem is the kid feeling left out at school when they're the only one without a smartphone and can't participate in their friends' activities.

...and this needs to be solved with a law? Kids feeling left out over something well and truly inconsequentual?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by Semaphor »

bakugo wrote: post #61
Semaphor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to, that's the thing. The site requests "are you over 18" and you use your ID to prove it without them getting any other information from it. Requires a phone with NFC, but the app is open source

How does the site verify that the ID being used for verification is the ID of the person that is actually using the account? How does the site verify that a valid ID was used at all? If the app is open source, what stops someone from modifying it to always claim the user is over 18 without an ID?

Not that I understand it, but AFAIK that's cryptography doing it's thing.

And using someone else's Id and password is the same as every method of auth

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