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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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you are on social media right now.

And Tylenol is a drug just the same as heroin. Do you think that HN has the same sort of impacts on people as instagram or facebook?

Yes, plenty of users here compulsively posting and compulsively checking for responses/upvotes/etc.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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With digital ID. They are releasing it in a couple of months. https://digst.dk/it-loesninger/den-digitale-identitetstegneb...

I look forward to being able to buy your porn surfing habits on the darkweb in a few years.

The ID card allows age verification without disclosing the identity to the service which needs the age verified.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

#53
As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Far worse.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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> All citizens are placed under suspicion > No judge is required to order to such monitoring That sounds quite extreme, I just can't square that with what I can actually read in the proposal. > the power to request the competent judicial authority of the Member State that designated it or another independent administrative authority of that Member State It explicitly states otherwise. A judge (or other independent au…

Didn't the proposal involve automated scanning of all instant messages? How isn't that equivalent of having an automated system opening every letter and listening to every phone call looking for crimes?

Not from what I can tell. From what I can read, it only establishes a new authority, under the supervision and at the digression, of the Member state that can, with judicial approval mandate "the least intrusive in terms of the impact on the users’ rights to private and family life" detection activities on platforms where "there is evidence [... ] it is likely, [...] that the service is used, to an appreciable extent for the dissemination of known child sexual abuse material".

That all sounds extremely boring and political, but the essence is that it mandates a local authority to scan messages on platforms that are likely to contain child pornography. That's not a blanket scan of all messages everywhere.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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The problem is not "social media", that's just an insanely broad and poorly category. HN is probably "social media". Many games are probably "social media".

The problem is that certain platforms exploit people for profit by feeding them crap, from political propaganda to ads for weight loss drugs. Many of them are designed to be addictive so folks can keep up "engagement". Enough eyeballs make all crap profitable, or something like that.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are tons of great platforms that young people can benefit from, and vice versa. Including HN. Many subreddits. Tons of forums. Loads online games.

Ban the exploitation. Ban the propaganda. Ban the abuse. But don't ban young people.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Great. Please raise the age to 115.

I was thinking I know a few people over 65 who are being radicalised, might be an idea to ban it for them too.

The serious answer is that banning "social media" is a bit silly. We should concentrate on controlling the addictive aspects of it, and ensuring the algorithms are fair and governed by the people.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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The problem is not "social media", that's just an insanely broad and poorly category. HN is probably "social media". Many games are probably "social media". The problem is that certain platforms exploit people for profit by feeding them crap, from political propaganda to ads for weight loss drugs. Many of them are designed to be addictive so folks can keep up "engagement". Enough eyeballs make all crap profitable, or…

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

As a parent, you should be able to parent your child, rather than having the government arbitrarily and capriciously do so on your behalf, and for everyone else's kids, too.

As someone who got my first BlackBerry at 11, which really spurred a lot of my later interests which are now part of my career or led to it indirectly, I am opposed to paternalistic authoritarian governments making choices for everyone.

(Funny anecdote, but I didn't even figure out how to sign up for Facebook until I was 11-12, because I wouldn't lie about my age and it would tell me I was too young. Heh.)

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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The one thing I don't see and always wonder about with these sorts of things is how they define "social media". Seems like a tough thing to do - if you cast too broad a definition you'll end up with just about anywhere one can communicate on the internet, including email. If you take the very narrow approach of naming FB, IG, TikTok, etc., you almost certainly miss out on whatever the next platform is that's relevant…

I don't think it really matters if the definition is too narrow as long as you ward off the worst threats. An easier way to classify them would be by size: any social network with over 1000 users should have to regulate their users. So as soon as something starts being relevant from a public safety perspective it'll fall under the law.
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