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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by Svip »

tokai wrote: post #14
Svip wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether internet is covered by § 72 seems undetermined; as far as I can tell the Supreme Court hasn't made a decision on it; but considering that it considered fake SMS train tickets to be document fraud, even though the law text never explicitly mentions text messages: it seems clear that internet communication ought to be covered, if challenged. Regardless, this wouldn't run afoul of this. This is similar to restri…

>considering that it considered fake SMS train tickets to be document fraud, even though the law text never explicitly mentions text messages That has nothing to do with the medium of the ticket and is all about knowingly presenting a fake ticket. The ticket is a document proving your payment for travel. They could be lumps of dirt and it would still be document fraud to present a fake hand of dirt.

Except the Supreme Court deemed the case to be of a principal nature, and granted relieve (i.e. no cost to either party), since it was disputed whether a fake SMS train ticket counted as document fraud.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by high_na_euv »

Semaphor wrote: post #7
delusional wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the EU is working on a system for age verification that won't identify you to the platform. The details are of course complicated, but you can imagine an openid like system run by the government that only exposes if you're old enough for Y. The platforms asks your government if you're old enough. You identify yourself to your government. Your government responds to the question with a single Boolean.

Our German national ID supports just verifying that you are over age X, with no other info given.

But why would you give your id?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by Telaneo »

delusional wrote: post #17
Telaneo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they wanted to push a proposal where the government would have free access to all digital communication, no judge required. So if it happens through a telephone conversation, you need a judge, while with a digital message, you wouldn't have, since the government would have already collected that information through Chat Control.

I don't know where you get your information, but that was not in the chat control proposal I read.

Patrick Breyer has some good thoughts on this.[1]

The relevant points I believe to be:

> All citizens are placed under suspicion, without cause, of possibly having committed a crime. Text and photo filters monitor all messages, without exception. No judge is required to order to such monitoring – contrary to the analog world which guarantees the privacy of correspondence and the confidentiality of written communications.

And:

> The confidentiality of private electronic correspondence is being sacrificed. Users of messenger, chat and e-mail services risk having their private messages read and analyzed. Sensitive photos and text content could be forwarded to unknown entities worldwide and can fall into the wrong hands.

[1] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by buellerbueller »

stickfigure wrote: post #20
tokai wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With digital ID. They are releasing it in a couple of months. https://digst.dk/it-loesninger/den-digitale-identitetstegneb...

I look forward to being able to buy your porn surfing habits on the darkweb in a few years.

*everyone's

The difference is meaningful. It's mostly prisoners dilemma. If only one persons porn habit is available thats bad for them. If everyones (legal) porn habits are available, then it gets normalized.

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Post by Semaphor »

high_na_euv wrote: post #23
Semaphor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our German national ID supports just verifying that you are over age X, with no other info given.

But why would you give your id?

You don't need to, that's the thing. The site requests "are you over 18" and you use your ID to prove it without them getting any other information from it. Requires a phone with NFC, but the app is open source

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by everdrive »

Alex2037 wrote: post #16
worldfoodgood wrote: post #12

Great. Please raise the age to 115.

you are on social media right now.

And Tylenol is a drug just the same as heroin. Do you think that HN has the same sort of impacts on people as instagram or facebook?

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by Forgeties79 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #27
stickfigure wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look forward to being able to buy your porn surfing habits on the darkweb in a few years.

*everyone's The difference is meaningful. It's mostly prisoners dilemma. If only one persons porn habit is available thats bad for them. If everyones (legal) porn habits are available, then it gets normalized.

Normalized or not, the risk is you get something akin US drug enforcement: ignored for certain demographics, enforced for others. The ability to see someone's porn history is irrelevant until a government (or employer perhaps) wants to weaponize it.

The problem isn't my peers, it's the people in power and how many of them lack any scruples.

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