Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

ikea.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 241 posts

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#141

Post by cptskippy »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #81
vollbrecht wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A standard where you have to pay to play. Cheapest option is 3000$ per product and 500$ annual.

I wasn't aware of that. One other concern I have with Matter is that, if I understand correctly, Thread+Matter devices get their own IP address with internet access, whereas with Zigbee all of that has to be controlled by the gateway. In theory that's a win for Matter, but I'm a little concerned about the security and enshitification problems that might cause. I kinda like the idea that I can buy a cheap IoT lock off…

Having network access is my primary concern. The protocol was developed by the largest adware companies on the planet...

I'm sure someone will chime in and say you can setup a VLAN and restrict all Matter devices from the internet yada yada...

You don't have to do that with Z-Wave or ZigBee. And with ESPHome you know exactly what the device is doing because you have 100% control over it.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#142

Post by notatoad »

poisonborz wrote: post #128
notatoad wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For the power user i don't think it does, or that it's even trying to. the problem it's trying to solve isn't the power user who's already got a home assistant server running. matter/thread is for the person who buys cheap smart home products off amazon and ends up with a half-dozen poorly-translated proprietary apps on their phone to manage it all.

Another take: what does it offer companies? They don't really want interoperability. Google, Apple, Alexa are the gravitational forces, and most mainstream devices already support them. Matter makes device maker's platform/own device portfolio aspirations weaker.

for a smart home device company who wants to be the platform by means of vendor lock-in, it offers them nothing. but that's not everybody, and hopefully the companies trying to do that fail.

for companies that make some appliance and don't have aspirations to be a smart home platform, matter and thread gives them an easy way to get their device into the apple or google home apps and check off the "smart" box on the spec sheet without having to build an app and run servers.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#144

Post by lynndotpy »

Coming as a very disgruntled and burned Philips Hue owner. Only four bulbs, but Philips is a name which leaves behind bile when spoken.

Ikea's Tradfri line was very refreshing for being entirely configurable with the wireless remote it comes with. You can connect multiple bulbs to one remote, without ever tinkering with an app or a hub or Home Assistant, etc.

Crucially, old TRADFRI communicated from the remote control to the bulb directly, so Ikea couldn't burn me the way Philips did. I'm hoping the new KAJPLATS end up working the same way.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#145

Post by ocdtrekkie »

05 wrote: post #114
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely will not be buying Matter stuff. Way too complicated, doesn't address the real problems in smarthome technology. I usually take my smart devices with me when I move. It's a pretty expensive thing to leave behind for a new owner that probably won't use it anyways. If someone offered me extra to leave them I might and then I'd also leave a manual.

> I usually take my smart devices with me when I move. Considering you can't even set up Matter devices if you lost the enrollment QR code (and the manual enrollment code is printed on the back of those ceiling downlights), it's a very good idea to take them with you and avoid frustrating the future occupants :)

Yeah as noted I don't have any Matter-based systems. Also, all of mine are designed to work with or without smart components: Aka, a light switch turns on or off the lights when you touch it.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#146

Post by protimewaster »

cptskippy wrote: post #141
Ajedi32 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't aware of that. One other concern I have with Matter is that, if I understand correctly, Thread+Matter devices get their own IP address with internet access, whereas with Zigbee all of that has to be controlled by the gateway. In theory that's a win for Matter, but I'm a little concerned about the security and enshitification problems that might cause. I kinda like the idea that I can buy a cheap IoT lock off…

Having network access is my primary concern. The protocol was developed by the largest adware companies on the planet... I'm sure someone will chime in and say you can setup a VLAN and restrict all Matter devices from the internet yada yada... You don't have to do that with Z-Wave or ZigBee. And with ESPHome you know exactly what the device is doing because you have 100% control over it.

This is, to me, one of the absolute biggest selling points for ZigBee and Z-Wave.

I can get some random, vendor I've never heard of, ZigBee sensor, and I know it won't do anything rogue on the internet because it doesn't have any way of getting to the internet.

Also, ZigBee is extremely power efficient compared to WiFi. With ZigBee, I don't mind putting a sensor in the crawlspace or somewhere a pain to get to. It won't need the batteries changed for a year or two anyway.

I know Matter can work over more efficient means than WiFi, but most of the cheaper devices I find are WiFi. A cheap ZigBee device is still ZigBee.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#147

Post by carderne »

thedougd wrote: post #43
carderne wrote: post #10

What “hub” thing do I need to use this? I use an iPhone but really just want to use some physical remote switches. I currently use Home Assistant but want to shift to something more “mass market” as I’m bored of being family tech support.

You're looking for a Thread border gateway. Lots of stuff already has it. Someone mentioned AppleTV and HomePod mini. Newer Google Nest speakers/displays have it as well. But you can do it with just Home Assistant and a Thread radio: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread#turning-ho... Personally, I pair my wifi and Thread matter devices to my Apple Home, as each Apple TV behaves as a redundant, ethernet c…

Is it absolutely necessary to have a base/gateway? This Verge article[0] seems to imply not, but it's not at all clear to me what I lose.

If I just want a smart switch that controls a smart light, can I do that without a hub? Can I use my phone to control that light/switch in a pinch? I'm not averse to spending $100 or whatever, but it's just more _stuff_ that I'd rather not think about.

[0] "Apple now lets you add Matter devices to Apple Home without a hub" https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24246581/ios18-matter-sma...

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#148

Post by russdill »

lynndotpy wrote: post #144

Coming as a very disgruntled and burned Philips Hue owner. Only four bulbs, but Philips is a name which leaves behind bile when spoken. Ikea's Tradfri line was very refreshing for being entirely configurable with the wireless remote it comes with. You can connect multiple bulbs to one remote, without ever tinkering with an app or a hub or Home Assistant, etc. Crucially, old TRADFRI communicated from the remote contro…

It's because tradfri is zigbee. matter is in some ways an independent successor to zigbee.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#149

Post by Ajedi32 »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #81
vollbrecht wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A standard where you have to pay to play. Cheapest option is 3000$ per product and 500$ annual.

I wasn't aware of that. One other concern I have with Matter is that, if I understand correctly, Thread+Matter devices get their own IP address with internet access, whereas with Zigbee all of that has to be controlled by the gateway. In theory that's a win for Matter, but I'm a little concerned about the security and enshitification problems that might cause. I kinda like the idea that I can buy a cheap IoT lock off…

Others have pointed out I might be wrong about this. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45837052

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#150

Post by yborg »

moshib wrote: post #3

IKEA's Zigbee devices have been some of the more stable smart devices I owned. I wasn't running their hub, opting to run with deCONZ in the past and moving to Zigbee2MQTT in recent years. I do wish the new range would include blinds; the previous generation (FYRTUR) is out of production, and it doesn't seem like there's a replacement yet.

The FYRTUR blinds were kinda crap, constantly had issues with them losing their minds and having to redo the setup. I also have the later Tredansen cellular shades, and those have been good ... but I just checked and those seem to be discontinued as well.

Perils of being early adopter, but kind of soured on the whole smart home concept unless you are wealthy enough to redo all of your home lighting and window treatments every 10 years. Apart from the effort, it creates yet more e-waste. I have 30+ year old manual window shades and lamps and they all still work.

Post reply on HN