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IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

bluGill wrote: post #45
embedding-shape wrote: post #4

Does this mean they're abandoning Zigbee compatibility? In my experience, Ikea was making the most reliable Zigbee devices considering the price (as someone who just uses Zigbee and no Ikea hubs, just HA+Zigbee), and would be a shame to lose that, but maybe it's a clear sign I should investigate starting to use Matter more instead?

Matter is now a standard not just a common spec. Everyone should demand all new smart home devices support matter. (it is okay if you use Zigbee or some other alternative to control it today but you should still demand matter for the day you switch - that day should come) In particular note the bane of all smart homes: if you have to move the next owner won't have a clue what you did. In the worst case you have to hi…

Definitely will not be buying Matter stuff. Way too complicated, doesn't address the real problems in smarthome technology.

I usually take my smart devices with me when I move. It's a pretty expensive thing to leave behind for a new owner that probably won't use it anyways. If someone offered me extra to leave them I might and then I'd also leave a manual.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by exabrial »

I'm not investing in any smart home products unless:

* I can fully control them without the cloud on a non-internet connected network

* I can either pay for updates, or they have free updates for at least 12 years, ideally 15

If a hurricane or tornado strikes, or some dictator tries to tell me what I can and can't do, my devices need to remain under my command.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by nixgeek »

exabrial wrote: post #72

I'm not investing in any smart home products unless: * I can fully control them without the cloud on a non-internet connected network * I can either pay for updates, or they have free updates for at least 12 years, ideally 15 If a hurricane or tornado strikes, or some dictator tries to tell me what I can and can't do, my devices need to remain under my command.

These are all Matter-over-Thread and meet your requirements, yay!

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by thedougd »

I really wish wall switches and dimmers were included in the first drop. I've long been in the market for affordable Matter over Thread switches with a matte white finish from a reliable vendor.

They need to cover all the categories too (single, multi-pole, dimmer, and maybe fan speed) so I know I won't end up with a hodge podge of brands and looks.

I'll keep holding out.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by microtonal »

astronads wrote: post #54
ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

The solution is home assistant [0] it lets you manage and control all kinds of smart devices with a lot of customizable, hackable things. And it runs locally, so if you buy the right types of devices that don’t phone home to the cloud (or you shitcan their internet access) you can fully manage your own system. [0] https://www.home-assistant.io/

Or if you want something more of an appliance, some other Hubs with Zigbee, Z-Wave, and Thread + Matter support are: Homey Pro, Homey Bridge, Aeotec SmartThings Hub, and Hubitat.

I only have experience with the first three (besides Home Assistant) and they work very well (though the SmartThings hub is somewhat limited when it comes to device support, graphing, etc.).

I should also mention that with Homey Bridge the dashboard is in their cloud, though the Zigbee/Z-Wave devices are fully local. Homey Pro is also local. (I think they have a Homey Pro Mini in the US now.)

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by Mistletoe »

j45 wrote: post #20
Mistletoe wrote: post #8

Tangential but I was wondering if anyone knows of a thermostat that can work with a security system for the most simple and accurate location sensing possible- when I press away on the alarm it turns the HVAC to eco type settings to save energy. I used to get this with Google Nest and location sensing from my phone but Google as always is killing my generation of Nest thermostat. I think I’d like to get away from loc…

Check out ecobee. It should set away mode how you need.

Oh interesting didn’t know they made security systems too.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by microtonal »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #40
ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

Easy — you’re not their target demographics. Almost all of my friends have some sort of “smart” devices, and I’ve helped personally to install them when things were a bit annoying (Spotify not syncing, dhcp not working properly and etc.). Absolutely not a single person cared about the “privacy and security” issue.

You can have both, Zigbee/Z-Wave devices are really easy to set up and they are purely local.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by nixgeek »

Is anyone aware of or working on an equivalent to zigbee2mqtt but for both Matter-over-WiFi and Matter-over-Thread devices?

It’s so darn convenient to have MQTT in the picture for home automation and my #1 challenge in imagining a future world past my 400+ ZigBee devices is what replaces zigbee2mqtt and has a similar “owner experience”.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by microtonal »

buckle8017 wrote: post #47
ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

ZigBee, Thread, and Matter are all locally controlled if you have a local controller that is controlled locally. You'll still end up being an amateur network engineer though.

I don't have much experience with Thread + Matter (except the only device I have, an upgraded Eve Energy being a PITA), but for Zigbee/Z-Wave you do not have to be an amateur network engineer. Pairing is really straightforward and devices will automatically mesh and get routed by most mains-powered Zigbee/Z-Wave devices. It's not like you have to set up DHCP, manage an IP address range or anything like it.
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