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Re: End of Japanese community

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post #272

> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

Why is it condescending and patronzing? I read it as a person trying to understand the situation.

The OP/article is very clear and very direct on what the problems are. The response is so typical american conflict-shy “let’s talk so we can slowly dimish your critique, and also let’s do talking instead of writing so we cant really be held accountable for specifics”. And, to me it comes across as lazy: the op/article is very specific on the problems, just get to work already, no need to “further clarifications” (obviously disable that stupid bot for the japanese community; then get to work restoring original KBs from backups. Then reach out to talk about next steps)

It’s a tonedeaf response from the staff person. Zero respect for what’s clearly many, many hours of contribured work.

Re: End of Japanese community

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> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

How would you form this response to make it less condensending and patronizing? I won't judge if it is patronizing or not because I'm not very good at this kind of thing but would like to understand the issue.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Can anybody provide some context for this?

I can’t parse what’s going on from the post or the comments here, and there’s no navigation on that page to anywhere but “support “

It sounds like something is happening. What is it?

Re: End of Japanese community

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Ladybird and other browser alternatives cannot come fast enough. Every other week we've got a thread here about some stupid move Mozilla have made, I can't remember the last time I heard positive news about Mozilla.

It's bad when the only positive thing one can say about them is that they're not Google/Microsoft.

Re: End of Japanese community

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post #26
post #10

I'm not really able to understand the finer details but I think I picked up enough to get the broad strokes. Really though, all I needed to see was the phrase "jump on a quick call" to form an irrationally strong opinion. That phrase instantly warms my entire body with rage.

I am fascinated by the nuanced opinions people have about word choice. What phrase would you use to ask someone to discuss a matter, but which you feel would be more appropriate for this kind of situation?

> What phrase would you use to ask someone to discuss a matter, but which you feel would be more appropriate for this kind of situation?

The only thing to ask for here are some clarifications and expanded explanations so that the original text does not get misunderstood. If the Mozilla representative does see such potential points he can perfectly ask for them publicly.

Re: End of Japanese community

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post #272

> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

Why is it condescending and patronzing? I read it as a person trying to understand the situation.

It's always the, "I'm sorry for how you feel," that strikes me as belittling and disingenuous.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Can anybody provide some context for this? I can’t parse what’s going on from the post or the comments here, and there’s no navigation on that page to anywhere but “support “ It sounds like something is happening. What is it?

Machine translated KB articles are destroying the japanese translations made by humans (and probably other languages too)

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/forums/contributors/717387...

Re: End of Japanese community

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> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

I don't understand people like this. No, I don't want to "hop on a call", I've already written down everything. Can you not read?

Re: End of Japanese community

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post #46
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am fascinated by the nuanced opinions people have about word choice. What phrase would you use to ask someone to discuss a matter, but which you feel would be more appropriate for this kind of situation?

"I'm sorry for how you feel about it" isn't exactly an empathetic opening stance

In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45831614 jack1243star pointed out the possibility that English might not be Kiki's first language and they perhaps even have used ChatGPT to make the comment sound more polite.

Re: End of Japanese community

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These ones? https://github.com/mozilla-japan/translation/wiki/L10N-Guide... Looking through that wiki there seems to be a lot of things that ML would get wrong.

lmao. This is a "research team and five years" task with current state of LLM.

For reference: https://xkcd.com/1425/
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