Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Keep Android Open

keepandroidopen.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

721–730 of 907 posts

Re: Keep Android Open

#721

Post by greycol »

jb1991 wrote: post #686
rezonant wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying what youve said above and knowing full well how this works, but failing to mention a crucial fact like this is deceptive.

I guess some are more bothered by this than others. A bit harsh to claim there is deception going on. Like I said, I’ve never paid Apple a fee and I have several original apps on my iPhone.

This is like calling a Tesla car a spacecraft because one got launched by a rocket. It's like saying you're a free man in prison because you don't want to go anywhere. All the apps you've made either can't connect with other people or require them to be local and visit once a week or be able to jump through the same hoops as you and own a machine to install the app. "I can install an app but my definition of an app is it only works for 7 days and then it needs to be installed again"

At best you can install a demo.

I'm immortal because except for the few ways I can die, like old age, I'll live forever.

Re: Keep Android Open

#722

Post by NoGravitas »

kevincox wrote: post #237
willtemperley wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like GrapheneOS will be available on another "major Android OEM” soon [1]. Regulation should prevent Google from subsidising manufacturers to use Android. Arguably the recent antitrust legislation [2] applies in this case because they're effectively paying manufacturers to place that horrendous and impossible to remove search bar on the home screen. [1] https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android…

GrapheneOS is in some ways not an open OS. The official builds don't provide root access. So for example apps are able to hold your data hostage from you. I get that this is in the name of security hardening. And you can make a build that has limited root access and is officially supported. But GrapheneOS isn't the end-all solution to computing freedom. Although hopefully on those devices you will be able to install…

GrapheneOS is all about security, not privacy or freedom. You coincidentally get privacy and freedom benefits, but only where they don't conflict with security.

Re: Keep Android Open

#723

Post by jrflowers »

wiseowise wrote: post #281
jrflowers wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>VWYF, folks Volkswagen Your Face Vincent Wants Yummy Fries Viewing Worked Yesterday, Frank Voyeur Whom You Fuck Veiled Widows You Fancy Vore Website? Yes, Free!

Vote With Your Francs, obviously.

Verily We Youths Frolic

Verify With Your Face

Re: Keep Android Open

#724

Post by immibis »

Gud wrote: post #190
survirtual wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Just because we “allow nazis” doesn’t mean society will turn into an authoritarian dictatorship. People are not stupid.

That's literally how the Nazis happened though? We know what happens if Nazis are tolerated: they grow in numbers, seize the government, and commit the holocaust. We know this because it already happened once.

Re: Keep Android Open

#725

Post by immibis »

jfengel wrote: post #341
marginalia_nu wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better critique is that these cold-war political basis vectors don't adequately describe today's political landscape (and neither do the revolution-era idea of the left wing vs the right wing; arguably they didn't back in 1950 either). Best example of how the communist/fascist/liberal democracy triad completely falls is looking at China, which has facets of all three and none at the same time. This makes it…

American politics at this point is practically defined by being afraid of the other group. The groups themselves have little cohesion, and contain bitter rivals, but they trust each other more than their hated enemies. Which becomes self-reinforcing: attempting to save yourself is perceived by the other as oppression. I don't mean to simply blame all sides here. Facts on the ground do exist.I think I can justify how…

One side is banning everything related to the other side and concentrating them in camps. The other side... is doing basically nothing, even when it's in power. I guess they gave a couple of bribes to Ukrainian-American businessmen but that was about it.

I'm pretty sure they're not the same.

Re: Keep Android Open

#726

Post by array_key_first »

jb1991 wrote: post #694
array_key_first wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you read my comment. Trying to get me on an "erm well akshually" level semantic argument means you're wrong, you know you're wrong, and now you're just being annoying. Both of us can agree that the 7 day limitation is far too stringent to be a legitimate solution. So we will go ahead and pretend it does not exist, because for all intents and purposes, it doesn't.

Maybe you didn’t read your own comment? > That 100 dollars is just the fee to even make an app. Even if your iPhone never has an Internet connection. And even if you literally load the app via USB to your iPhone only. Someone reading this would get completely the wrong information.

Are you purposefully ignoring the things I'm writing to try to appear right?

Because I can still see the words on my screen. To reiterate, semantic arguments are meaningless and do nothing to serve you. If anything, with each passing comment, I am doubting your human-ness, because I don't believe human brains typically act this way.

Re: Keep Android Open

#727

Post by tracker1 »

state_less wrote: post #356
TeMPOraL wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Answer: bank/financial apps, enterprise apps, government apps and copyrighted media (music, video, games, books, ...). Those are the players that demand excessive control over end-user devices, and thus the ultimate driver behind the problem we're discussing. It's not that a new mobile platform couldn't possibly succeed. It's an open platform that cannot, because aforementioned players don't want it, and without them…

Back in '99 Linux didn't run Excel/Word/Powerpoint or most games, but I ran it anyway. What others call showstoppers are for me inconveniences. I have a motorolla edge 2024 that I'll load whatever open source phone OS will work well enough to place calls and browse the web. I'll keep another phone for the rare times some corporate/government overlord requires it. Many folks who refuse to use smartphones, similarly ow…

What's an inconvenience for you is a no-go for many others. I'm willing to put up with certain things... others aren't.

Re: Keep Android Open

#728

Post by MarsIronPI »

dns_snek wrote: post #479
pyeri wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few companies have done it successfully like Red Hat, Odoo ERP and Sensio Labs (the company that builds Symfony framework).

Yes but notice how all of those are B2B? I was responding in the context of B2C, on one hand we know that people are willing to pay for convenience - Steam has largely beaten piracy by simply offering a better service. But that wouldn't hold up if games were released under a FOSS license. There would be nothing stopping me (maybe trademark law? I'm sure there are workarounds) from setting up "SteamForFree", rehosting…

I still think you'd get the part of the market that cares about creators. The part that doesn't would pirate anyway. Now, this is assuming they can determine that you are the original creator, but IMO this is what trademarks are for.

Re: Keep Android Open

#729

Post by MarsIronPI »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #384
MarsIronPI wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the benefits of mobile GNU/Linux distros is that it is possible to run Android apps on them. Waydroid works well. The one catch is that it can be difficult to trick certain picky apps into running on an "unsecured" device.

I think next time I upgrade my "phone" I'm going to get a gaming capable tablet with wireless and give it the steamos treatment. This gives you decent linux/windows/android interop. I already lug a small backpack around most of the time, I can leave the tablet in the bag and use buds for conversations and when I need an actual computer it'll be way better.

Hm, how do you plan on taking calls? Will you notice an incoming call even though your tablet is in the bag?

(Asking because this idea sounds appealing to me as well.)

Re: Keep Android Open

#730

Post by frankacter »

fainpul wrote: post #98
frankacter wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is why I switched to Android, just for Google now to pull the rug from under my feet again 1) You can continue to install unsigned APKs via adb with the upcoming update. 2) Signing APKs for sideloading requires a Google development account which is a one time fee of $25, no yearly fees. So still a free sideloading option available, and if you want to avoid adb it is a one time cost that is 1/4 the annual rate o…

I would call it "free developer experience" (using ADB), not "free sideloading". If you want to send your app to a friend to download and install it directly on their phone (without using a computer with ADB), you need to be Google-approved and register your app first.

OP I was replying to presented his scenario of self developing an app he uses on his own personal device, my response was specifically in regards to that use case, not any hypothetical third party person.
Post reply on HN