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Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

“Quality Control”?

Outside of the absolute bare minimum to check this box for a plurality of observers, I can’t imagine anyone actually saying the App Store has a quality control process with a straight face, especially not one that would be championed as acceptable as a market practice.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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You had the choice to buy another phone.

I did not have a choice to buy another equivalent phone because patents legally forbid other companies from producing equivalent phones. If Apple wants to take that defence, they should be required to have abandoned every patent they own on iPhones prior to my purchase of the device.

Equivalent in what way? A Samsung, a Xiaomi, a Google phone have all of the necessary capabilities to live a modern life.

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As long as Apple requires they make use of those services for me to install software on the computer I bought, and they prevent others from producing equivalent competing devices via patents (i.e. government granted monopolies), zero. It's not that it's not worth something, it's that they're abusing their patents and monopoly to extract further compensation after I already bought the device.

You had the choice to buy another phone.

When you plug in a non-Apple USB cable to charge your iPhone, or use a third-party phone case, or use Anker power bank .. do you wish you had none of these choices, but only use whatever Apple branded cables, and phonecase and power banks existed?

If you want to buy Apple cables because you think it is better, sure - that's great. But preventing ugreen cables from working makes no sense.

You shouldnt say 'buy a different phone' if you want to use ugreen cables.

If you're a consumer, you should be on the side of more choice and more competition. If you're a Apple/Apple employee, you should 100% say what you just did :)

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

10%. A finder's fee, like everything else irl. It should be regulated as such for all platforms.

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The honest answer is that Apple shouldn't own iOS and its main app store at the same time. But there is not legal / regulation framework to prevent that. Case in point: Steam is taking 30% too. But you've heard much less fuss over it, right? Why? Is it because of players' cult-like behavior around Steam? (probably partially) But more importantly it's because Valve doesn't own Windows and Steam Deck is a far smaller f…

Steam's cut decreases to 20% after a certain amount of money. Also Steam does a lot more to earn their cut than any other platform, by far -- for example, they do a lot of promotion for you, both algorithmic and through things like Daily Deals, for free, whereas on iOS it is very difficult for ad spend to not be a significant part of your budget. The rule of thumb I've heard is, for every organic sale you make, Steam…

> for every organic sale you make, Steam's algorithm will get you one more sale

I'm not sure what you mean. Every game dev now refers what Steam algorithm gives you "organic sale."

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

This question is valid only if Apple lets apps host their own apps, bring their own payment system. Apple bans all such activities, has held the entire app ecosystem and seeks rent. If they think their offering is superior, then they should be OK competing. The fact that they have not opened it up says that they are happy to overcharge. Remember, competition is always good. Let Stripe and Apple duke it out on payment…

Hardly always good. The mobile app ecosystem on both iOS and Android is a morass of freemium games and ad slop, because the market has determined that hooking one whale is more important than creating a quality product.

The competition will find the most profitable process, not the one that serves customers best necessarily.

The biggest change the iPhone users are going to see an increase in spyware. They'll also notice in a few years a bunch of websites go Chrome only.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

Whatever they want, but let me use MY phone to install whatever app I want outside of the app store.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Dystopian story plot: Apple completely opens up the iOS platform. Do whatever you like. Also, an XCode license is now $20,000/year. Don’t like it? Build your own.

> Also, an XCode license is now $20,000/year. Don’t like it? Build your own. And people will. That's how competition works. If someone thinks they can make a profit by offering a) better product b) same product at a cheaper price, you'll see investment. VCs will be pouring money to capture that market.

> And people will.

And it will likely be much better too.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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You had the choice to buy another phone.

When you plug in a non-Apple USB cable to charge your iPhone, or use a third-party phone case, or use Anker power bank .. do you wish you had none of these choices, but only use whatever Apple branded cables, and phonecase and power banks existed? If you want to buy Apple cables because you think it is better, sure - that's great. But preventing ugreen cables from working makes no sense. You shouldnt say 'buy a diffe…

Being on the side of the consumer means being on the side of the free market. If you don’t like the charging options of an iPhone, don’t buy an iPhone. If you don’t like the OS of a Pixel, don’t buy a Pixel. If the consumer is choosy and doesn’t like the options available then there is a market opportunity for new entrants.
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