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Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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In English law, is there a clearly defined, well understood, written standard of “fair”?

I don't know, but when every single business on the planet has to pay you 30% for access to mobile device users, it definitely isn't.

How do web pages accessed from (for example) Safari cost the publisher 30% of a subscription fee, when a subscription might be established off mobile first?

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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post #11

Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

Whatever Apple needs in order to compete with third-party distributors. They can set it to a 105% tax for all I care, just let me use third-party alternatives.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

That's what the market will determine once Apple is forced to compete.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

This question is valid only if Apple lets apps host their own apps, bring their own payment system.

Apple bans all such activities, has held the entire app ecosystem and seeks rent. If they think their offering is superior, then they should be OK competing. The fact that they have not opened it up says that they are happy to overcharge.

Remember, competition is always good. Let Stripe and Apple duke it out on payment processing, and let the best one win.

Let games me hosted both on Epic Store and App Store, and let users decide where to download it from.

That will be fair.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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interesting I suspect the UK uses the same Regan Era definition of monopolistic practice as the US, meaning monopoly is fine so long as prices seen by consumers are low (or rather not provably raised)

The UK adopted the EU antitrust model in the 1990s and still kept it after Brexit. So it's has a lot more stuff about 'fairness' and controlling markets, it's not just about prices or monopolies abusing their market position or blocking mega mergers. At least on paper...

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, but when every single business on the planet has to pay you 30% for access to mobile device users, it definitely isn't.

How do web pages accessed from (for example) Safari cost the publisher 30% of a subscription fee, when a subscription might be established off mobile first?

How are web pages analogous to installing mobile software, in this particular example?

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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post #11

Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

Well, the market will decide I guess. If this is the case, then competitors won't be an issue. If not, then Apple's goose is cooked.
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