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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by lordnacho »

boltzmann-brain wrote: post #12

oh I wish the American people were this brave

What I see in the US is that the judiciary has already become partisan. In most of Europe, if there's a trial, the judge is just some nameless character. I mean, he has a name of course, but nobody can really point the finger at them and say they are interested in one side or the other. It's just not the done thing. By contrast, American judges are appointed by politicians, and people can claim they are not impartial. (Or elected, same thing)

Here's a weird observation. I know the names of several US supreme court judges, and their right/left lean, despite never having lived there. I've lived in four other countries, and I might know one judge due to him having a funny name.

What also doesn't tend to happen in Europe is questioning the legitimacy of the system. People can get sentenced and they just... accept it.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by sebstefan »

msh wrote: post #120
liendolucas wrote: post #116

Why when a high profile politic is sentenced it goes to a 5 star suite while the rest of mortals are thrown to a hole? It seems that when you cross a certain invisible threshold "justice" applies just a bit differently. Same in Argentina with corrupt and ex-robber Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.

Does he have better conditions than any other French persons convicted of a similar crime?

The cell is the same but he is alone in it, most convicts have a cellmate

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

wiether wrote: post #126
_ache_ wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hesitated to call it a nickname, as the name is "Paris-La Santé". But got covered by Wikipédia " https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_de_la_Sant%C3%A9 ", so I did called it a nickname too. I'm pretty sure it can be called a "Métonymie de lieu" but I just didn't want to insist about that, it feels a little pedantic.

> it feels a little pedantic Typical French conversation then!

Oh no, we hold back when we're here. For example, I didn't mention the possibility that it might simply be an ellipsis. And no one wants to talk about apocope.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by Tepix »

tauwauwau wrote: post #110
yard2010 wrote: post #82

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Law doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate. Act of taking freedom away from the criminal is violent enough. Treating them badly is just a sign of unfair/poor society that cannot maintain (afford to keep) it's promise to be civil to all citizens.

> Law doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate.

That's unfortunately not universally true. This is most obvious when considering the death penalty.

Norway exemplifies a rehabilitative justice model and it is effective, evidenced by low recidivism rates.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by msh »

sebstefan wrote: post #132
msh wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does he have better conditions than any other French persons convicted of a similar crime?

The cell is the same but he is alone in it, most convicts have a cellmate

Not the ones in solitary confinement like him I assume?

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by phito »

lordnacho wrote: post #131
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #12

oh I wish the American people were this brave

What I see in the US is that the judiciary has already become partisan. In most of Europe, if there's a trial, the judge is just some nameless character. I mean, he has a name of course, but nobody can really point the finger at them and say they are interested in one side or the other. It's just not the done thing. By contrast, American judges are appointed by politicians, and people can claim they are not impartial…

Also we don't make reality TV shows (disguised as "news") about it.
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