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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

moralestapia wrote: post #10
rapsey wrote: post #2

So he used money from Libya to get elected and then later he bombed them?

I'll have to read more into this, but it says he just "conspired" to do it, whatever that means. The solitary confinement part is quite harsh, I've never understood how that is supposed to rehabilitate someone. In France there's early release, parole, etc. so real time he spends behind bars might be as low as two years. Edit: The WP article is actually a very interesting read, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_fin…

He is in the equivalent of the VIP wing of the only prison in Paris Intramuros (within the city walls), the Prison de la Santé. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Sant%C3%A9_Prison The prison has three main sections: the VIP wing, the night-time incarceration wing (sentence adjustment), and the high-security wing.

As the most serious cases at the national level are often tried in Paris, the high-security wing is filled with drug traffickers, murderers and terrorists, at least for the duration of the proceedings, which can take years in France.

Sarkozy is in the VIP wing with two bodyguards nearby. These are hardly the conditions one would imagine for isolation.

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

_ache_ wrote: post #69
wiether wrote: post #18

Et la santé !

French joke. He is jailed in a jail nicknamed "La Santé", which is also the the french cheers sentence. "À la votre *et la santé". Will be the running gag of this christmas and new year.

It's not a nickname. It's simply because the prison is located on Rue de la Santé (Health Street). Rue de la Santé was named that way because there was a hospital there from the 17th to the 19th century.

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Post by ahoka »

dmurray wrote: post #38
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

A bit of both. He definitely did criminal things, but they look worse because Gaddafi was such a politically unpopular ("terrorist") leader in the west. If he'd got the same funding from the Obama regime, surely he would never have gone to prison.

Wow, calling the Obama administration a regime seems like... a dog whistle?

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Post by randomtoast »

By the way, this is not possible in the U.S and in many other countries. When someone is convicted of a crime, they don’t usually start serving a prison sentence until the case is final. If they appeal, the sentence is automatically paused or can be stayed by the court. In practice, this means you don’t go to prison (unless you are already in preventive detention because of flight risk or danger) while your case is still being fought in higher courts.

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Post by thrance »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #31
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

Difficult to say. Even if indeed guilty, things like jailing him "provisionally" despite his appeal are discretionary decisions of the court so also open to all interpretations despite the very black and white comments here...

Not difficult at all. Tens to hundreds of judges had a say on his case over the many years he's been on trial. What are the chances he only got left-wing judges? This muddying of the waters is exactly how you get to Trumpism and a blatant shamelessness of politicians in the face of obvious corruption.

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Post by pols45 »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #36
consumer451 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, this made me find this wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_and_gov...

Wild. Norman Saunders: Saunders was alleged by the US Drug Enforcement Administration to have accepted $30,000 from undercover agents to ensure safe passage of drugs by permitting safe stopover refuelling of drug flights from Colombia to the United States. Video evidence showed Saunders accepting $20,000 from an agent. Saunders was convicted in July 1985 of conspiracy, though he was acquitted of the charge of conspir…

It's not Nuts. These guys are just front office foot soldiers of the Elite. Elites on all sides use these kind of characters to protect/expand their power.

The Elite all don't get along with each other, but in a "civilized" world where there is enough loot to share with everyone, they don't need to directly attack each other. Unless something really threatens and freaks them out.

But once in a while they authorize their foot soldiers in the military, judiciary, legislatures, media to attack each other. Which is all just a side show - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites

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