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Post by Implicated »

thr0w__4w4y wrote: post #226
catlover13000 wrote: post #223

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i forgot to mention these feeders just began entering the U.S. this year. there are several located in shelters and have helped many homeless cats find owners! hopefully they will continue to spread and help in communities that have stray cat problems

I noticed all the feeders seem to be similar / same. I'm in California, I feed 3 strays in an area where the average outdoor cat's lifespan is about 4.5 years (fires, traffic, hawks, coyotes, evil people). Right now my process is very manual but it's a labor of love. All 3 cats only show up after dark. Ring stick up camera, bowls out (clean them every day), run out on a motion alert, etc. problem is I also have racoo…

Similarly, I've got 7 regulars and 4 to 5 more occasional visitors that I've been feeding and fixing (11 of them fixed so far) but there's issues with racoons and opossums - pretty sure they stole a whole litter, they taint the water and eat any food available.

My plan is something similar to this feed the cats thing - except, a twitch live stream of an fpv water turret in which they can "deter" those unwanted visitors.

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Post by niemandhier »

squigz wrote: post #208
aksss wrote: post #201

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I believe there are more slaves today than ever in the history of the planet simply due to population growth. While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil, most of the world does not hold that view. In fact, I would say the default human view (looking at all cultures across time memorial) is that slavery is the rule not the exception. That doesn't go away with modernity, it goes away with culture.

Out of curiosity, which parts of the world is actual slavery a normal thing?

The 13th amendment has a penal exception clause:

“ Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

So one might say, slavery is normal in the USA

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Post by catlover13000 »

Implicated wrote: post #241
thr0w__4w4y wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed all the feeders seem to be similar / same. I'm in California, I feed 3 strays in an area where the average outdoor cat's lifespan is about 4.5 years (fires, traffic, hawks, coyotes, evil people). Right now my process is very manual but it's a labor of love. All 3 cats only show up after dark. Ring stick up camera, bowls out (clean them every day), run out on a motion alert, etc. problem is I also have racoo…

Similarly, I've got 7 regulars and 4 to 5 more occasional visitors that I've been feeding and fixing (11 of them fixed so far) but there's issues with racoons and opossums - pretty sure they stole a whole litter, they taint the water and eat any food available. My plan is something similar to this feed the cats thing - except, a twitch live stream of an fpv water turret in which they can "deter" those unwanted visito…

dont quote me on this but also there are 2 documented feeder types and i believe the second one, the shelter feeder, is the one that came to the U.S. the purrrr owners are very kind and will probably give you information though or at least a date for when they might become more widely available. contact info here https://www.hipurrrr.com/

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Post by aziaziazi »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #234
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

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Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

I am with you on principle. But how to get animal protein without harming animals? Can't do milk & related products because of lactose intolerance and other vegetarian sources are not that protein dense.

Do you need that density though ? Also animals products contains basically 0 fibers and not much water so you also gotta plants anyway to get a fit meal.

Some of the best protein choices: - quinoa - tempeh (fermented soy) - tofu (not much fibers here but many minerals and water) - brewer's yeast (but in its own, but you can add it on everything, it’s delicious and cheap) - if you’re into processed stuff (like whey and flours) there’s many’s proteins extracts like peas, soy, beans… also TSP and TPP for cooking convenience.

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Post by aziaziazi »

Thorrez wrote: post #125
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

People have been charged/convicted of torturing chickens: https://whyy.org/articles/upper-darby-pennsylvania-sentenced... https://www.wave3.com/2023/04/25/man-accused-abusing-chicken... I believe the difference is if you're causing the animals pain because you enjoy the pain itself vs causing the animals pain to provide food.

Those convictions are extremely rare though. France even made illegal to fact to denounce such (illegal too) acts if this denunciation could harm the farmer.

https://welfarm.fr/adoption-de-lamendement-le-fur-une-attaqu...

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Post by chimprich »

scotty79 wrote: post #233
chimprich wrote: post #199

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> Compare that with protection from predators, medical care, vaccination, shelter, reliable food and clean water, and stress free lives until a quick and fast death. Comparing farmed animals to wild animals is not really the point. A better comparison is a farmed animal compared to that animal not existing at all. We make the choice to bring them into existence. Are farmed animals better off existing than not? I thin…

This argument can be made about humans. Are modern humans better of existing than not? Our lives also tend to be short, miserable and pointless. Especially compared to just not existing and never having to bother with this world's bs.

> Our lives also tend to be short

Our lives in the developed world tend to be limited by biology; an average of about 80 years in many countries. Pigs get slaughtered at about 6 months, well before the lifespan they could potentially live to.

> miserable

If you're feeling constantly miserable, then please get some mental health treatment.

> and pointless

Possibly, but we are free to try to find some meaning for ourselves in our lives. Farm animals merely exist to grow as fast as possible and be slaughtered for food. The only point to their existence is to be food.

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Post by aziaziazi »

harimau777 wrote: post #150
deepvibrations wrote: post #130

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Knowing this, is there are a reason why you Aren't vegan?

Not the OP, but: I try to minimize the amount of meat that I eat; however, at this time I don't think that veganism is a viable strategy for optimal health for most Americans. That's particularly the case for athletes. It's simply too difficult to get enough protein and minimize carbs on a plant based diet. That's not to say that it's impossible. I have a friend who is a vegan bodybuilder but it requires a lot of ext…

> get enough protein and minimize carbs on a plant based diet.

Tempeh, tofu, quinoa, mushrooms just to cite a few. Also a good portions of the carbs in vegetable are fibers and those not only don’t get digested but also help your microbiote to stay healthy.

Moreover the high protein/carbs ratio you’re talking about isn’t about Americans but about a sport nutrition trends aiming to optimise muscle buildup. I’m not sure what extra work your friends do but all bodybuilders have to put work in gym time and meal prep. Eating a quinoa shake isn’t harder than a whey one.

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Post by baking »

IAmBroom wrote: post #158
RobotToaster wrote: post #103

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Cats generally don't overeat like dogs do.

My entire experience with cats disagrees.

A vet once told me that male orange cats can become food-obsessed, and my entire experience with cats agrees with that. One orange male that needs to be food restricted, while every other cat I know doesn't.

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Post by ethanpailes »

foresterre wrote: post #98
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

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Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

In his book Sapiens, Yuval Noah Harari called the farming of animals by humans "Nature's biggest fraud", which I always found to be an apt description. It makes me wonder if humans are the only animals who "farm" other animals in some way (not on the same scale as humans do of course). At the same time, it makes me wonder, "is being a parasitic animal socially better or worse than animals who farm fellow animals" ;).

Sperm whales arguably farm by always dedicating at the top of the water column and measurably increasing the fertility of the seas they swim in. It seems possible that is deliberate given how much of their time they spend in the depths.
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