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Post by DonHopkins »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #124
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think that slowly but steadily we got better though till the point that now everyone mostly considers slavery morally evil. Lets hope the same can be the case with animals as well. I can't emphasize the impact of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s (ea…

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Post by alexissantos »

b112 wrote: post #112
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

There is an immense difference between factory farming, and traditional farming, of which most countries and places still do. I don't know what sort of fantasy lifestyle people think wild animals live, but it's constant fear of death all day long, fights with other of its kind over territory, constant predation, disease, pests (including bot flies and worms), starvation during population upswings, dying of thirst dur…

Which life would you choose for yourself? Would you be okay if someone else chose for you, especially if the choice was different?

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Post by harimau777 »

In one of the feeds (Mr. Fall) the cat is eating what looks like soap shavings or feathers or something. They apprear to be fairly light weight since the cat appears to be sort of licking them up. Any idea what they are?

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Post by shlant »

b112 wrote: post #140
Recursing wrote: post #134

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The vast majority of farmed animals are factory farmed: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestoc... I agree that cows are an exception and live decent lives, but >95% of pigs, chickens, and fish are farmed in atrocious conditions, inside and outside the US: https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farm...

Then be angry at factory farming, not eating meat. There are loads of people that still have a farm, just for them too. Yes, it's generally in rural areas in the West. Yet for thousands of years, people often just farmed to feed themselves! Factory farming sucks. Yet this can be fixed, note that you don't need to full grass feed (as an example) to end factory farming. You just need room for mild grazing. We can easil…

> Then be angry at factory farming, not eating meat.

When one of the most common responses to pointing out how awful factory farming is "well you can just buy from farms" when the reality is that 99% of consumption comes from factory farms, it's completely reasonable to associate the two

> We can easily feed people as we do now, not have factory farming, but still not have the tens of thousands of acres of grassland to feed a herd for 100% grass grazing.

Going to need a source for that because all the information i've seen shows that there is absolutely not enough land to be able to sustain the current levels of meat consumption.

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Post by southwindcg »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #10

The "Mr. Cloud & Mr. Peach (Yichen's Place)" feeder has an ant infestation and I just watched them team up to take a few kibble out of the feeder.

I saw a slug eating in another feeder, but I feel like a little sprinkle of salt around the lower perimeter outside the base would deter them.

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Post by harimau777 »

Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

I am 100% against mistreating any animals and especially animals as intelligent as pigs.

However, I can understand why people don't think of pigs as highly as cats & dogs considering how dirty they are. I don't mean the rolling around in mud thing; that's just a logical way to cool off. Instead I mean the fact that they will apparently eat almost anything including feces and other pigs.

Edit: Just to be clear, I realize that's not a rational reason to think poorly of pigs. I'm just saying that I can understand why people feel that way.

Re: Meow.camera

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

DonHopkins wrote: post #141
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think that slowly but steadily we got better though till the point that now everyone mostly considers slavery morally evil. Lets hope the same can be the case with animals as well. I can't emphasize the impact of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s (ea…

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I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this.

I have hope that America/ any country can fix itself though, it isn't too late. Let's still hope things change for better since I feel like a lot of countries are becoming radicalized in that sense.

I guess we gotta be worried about what discourse we allow in our society or have some better checks and balances all around the world to lessen radicalization I suppose.

Also paradox of tolerance strikes again, should we be intolerant to intolerance as in this case, you decide.

Re: Meow.camera

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Post by b112 »

shlant wrote: post #145
b112 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then be angry at factory farming, not eating meat. There are loads of people that still have a farm, just for them too. Yes, it's generally in rural areas in the West. Yet for thousands of years, people often just farmed to feed themselves! Factory farming sucks. Yet this can be fixed, note that you don't need to full grass feed (as an example) to end factory farming. You just need room for mild grazing. We can easil…

> Then be angry at factory farming, not eating meat. When one of the most common responses to pointing out how awful factory farming is "well you can just buy from farms" when the reality is that 99% of consumption comes from factory farms, it's completely reasonable to associate the two > We can easily feed people as we do now, not have factory farming, but still not have the tens of thousands of acres of grassland…

Going to need a source for that because all the information i've seen shows that there is absolutely not enough land to be able to sustain the current levels of meat consumption.

You're sort of mixing up things here. Yes, there is enough land in some parts of the world (Canada, US), but that's not the point.

I specifically said not full grass feed. That's what people believe and assert there is not enough land for. You can still have some grass feeding, conjoined with grain feed. The animals get to be outside, have space to move around, but 1000 acres instead of 100k acres needed for full grass feeding the same herd.

As factory farms already feed those herds, clearly there's enough grain to feed them.

Re: Meow.camera

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Post by harimau777 »

deepvibrations wrote: post #130
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Knowing this, is there are a reason why you Aren't vegan?

Not the OP, but:

I try to minimize the amount of meat that I eat; however, at this time I don't think that veganism is a viable strategy for optimal health for most Americans. That's particularly the case for athletes. It's simply too difficult to get enough protein and minimize carbs on a plant based diet.

That's not to say that it's impossible. I have a friend who is a vegan bodybuilder but it requires a lot of extra work on her part. That extra work is a big ask for people who are just trying to hold their lives together.

Zooming out from food, there isn't a widely available alternative to leather or wool if you care about the textile's performance (strength, durability, insulation when wet, flame retardation, etc.). That's particularly true if you care about avoiding petrochemicals.

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