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Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by quuxplusone »

jrowen wrote: post #61

I was watching a clip from the The Lost World (1925) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwzrwHnCtk ] the other day. I was struck by the silly (to my ears) orchestral fanfare scoring such a dramatic scene, and the fact that almost all of the men are wearing nearly identical outfits. It's still pretty much the same 20 years later in this video. The timbre of the voice of the narrator is another thing, so universal in m…

Note that the orchestral score on that YouTube video was composed in 2016 by Robert Israel. The original film had no recorded sound; it would have been accompanied on the piano (or, if lucky, pipe organ).

If you get a chance to see a silent film in the theater with live music, don't pass up that chance! I recently went to see "The General" (1926) with semi-improvised music by pianist Ben Model,[1] and (obviously) recommend the experience.

[1] - https://www.moma.org/magazine/articles/23

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by rfrey »

113 wrote: post #79
MBCook wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there governments that aren’t heavily nationalistic in wartime?

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I am not American, and I am having tremendous difficulty understanding what you are talking about. Nobody in this thread has denied this is propaganda or that it is nationalistic.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by rented_mule »

themafia wrote: post #72
zaik wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has this to do with one another? This video doesn't advocate for censorship of the media.

The public square is a recognized American institution for political change and messaging. The first amendment covers way more than freedom of the press. This video, to me, seems to deride it.

> This video, to me, seems to deride it.

I don't see any derision of the first amendment or of the public square (not sure which you were referring to as "it" in your last sentence). When we exercise our freedom of expression, we have zero guarantee that we will be listened to, believed, or respected.

The derision I see in this video is directed at visceral belief in whoever is shouting in the public square, especially when their message is so clearly divisive. The discussion between the Freemason and the naturalized citizen is itself a fine example of free expression in the public square.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by sgustard »

zahlman wrote: post #55
stevenbedrick wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me as though you're reading a lot in to that second paragraph. Are you disputing the basic facts outlined, about "masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight"? Because that is, in fact, a thing that is happening in cities all over the country right now, and simply pointing out that it is happening is not a partisan act.

The partisan act is the description of what is going on. Can you show that the arrests are unlawful? Or else what exactly is your basis for the use of the term "kidnapping"?

How about "Federal judge rules ICE arrests at Liberty restaurant unlawful"? Does this meet your standard?

https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-l...

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by cortesoft »

cardanome wrote: post #87
113 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it still true that Americans find it hard to see how this is very clearly propaganda? Yes, it's anti-Nazi but it's still has very obvious problems.

It is literally propaganda. Very good propaganda with a very good and truthful message. (Except maybe a bit of too much idealizing the US and also the role of the catholic church but the main point is fine.) I guess the confusion is because in Western societies people are used to the doublespeak of only calling something propaganda when it is done by the "other side". The other side is "spreading the narrative" you a…

Well, the standard definition of propaganda is that it is false and misleading :

> information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a particular cause, doctrine, or point of view.

Which I think most people consider bad. If the information is true and not misleading, it would be considered educational or informational.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by pchristensen »

zahlman wrote: post #60
ok_dad wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary part is how this is being done, not that immigration laws are being “followed” (they aren’t). Masked men roaming the streets arresting even US citizens without a warrant. Going into court rooms and houses of worship to do it. Using violence on unarmed peaceful protesters, regardless of the protest legality. Combine it with the Republican inability to follow the law and the current rhetoric about “antifa” an…

Can you show that they have arrested US citizens without reasonable suspicion? Can you otherwise show that law is not being followed? From what I can tell, they are legally allowed to wear masks for this. ICE's webpage also is adamant that they legally do not always require a warrant ( https://www.ice.gov/immigration-enforcement-frequently-asked... ), and Snopes agrees ( https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/06/21/ice-arr…

This took longer to cut and paste than it did to find on Google.

Arresting and detaining citizens based only on race/language: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-...

Rhetoric from Donald Trump: - https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-calls-de... - https://apnews.com/article/trump-executive-order-domestic-ne...

Rhetoric from Stephen Miller: https://en.as.com/latest_news/he-can-dish-it-out-but-he-cant...

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by ksk23 »

cardanome wrote: post #87
113 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it still true that Americans find it hard to see how this is very clearly propaganda? Yes, it's anti-Nazi but it's still has very obvious problems.

It is literally propaganda. Very good propaganda with a very good and truthful message. (Except maybe a bit of too much idealizing the US and also the role of the catholic church but the main point is fine.) I guess the confusion is because in Western societies people are used to the doublespeak of only calling something propaganda when it is done by the "other side". The other side is "spreading the narrative" you a…

Afaik European Union has a budget for „(fighting/anti) propaganda“ - so yes!

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by pchristensen »

zahlman wrote: post #51
blks wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE actively targets and arrests people who are legally staying in the US as well, detaining them for weeks without due process.

What exactly is your evidence for this claim? What do you consider to be their basis for such targeting, and what is your evidence for that claim?

Off the top of my head, Kilmar Abrego Garcia had a judicial stay against exportation and the administration said his deportation was an error, but he spent weeks in an El Salvadoran prison. And there was the Korean battery factory workers in Georgia.

There were also more cases in the district court record that led to the Kavanaugh Stops decision: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-...

There have been so many cases documented so thoroughly. All you have to do is believe that it's not impossible and the reporting does the rest.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by lotsofpulp »

_ink_ wrote: post #81

Unfortunately we are more divided then ever. The algorithms place each of use in its own little echo chamber. And micro targeting makes it easy for people with money to control what each of us is fed in their bubble. Stay united. Don't give up over their perceived power. Don't be a sucker. Easier said, then done.

Algorithms don’t cause people to be racist and sexist. Their own insecurities cause them to be resort to tribalism.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Post by lmm »

mempko wrote: post #7

This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker, don't let them divide us. For perspective, we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States. Think about how fast this came. EDIT: Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wro…

"We need to stop being divided. For perspective, here's a political talking point framed in the most partisan way possible. Edit: why am I being downvoted?"
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