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Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#81
Unfortunately we are more divided then ever. The algorithms place each of use in its own little echo chamber. And micro targeting makes it easy for people with money to control what each of us is fed in their bubble. Stay united. Don't give up over their perceived power. Don't be a sucker. Easier said, then done.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#82
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days there is social media. Controlled by whom? A handful of billionaires.

We’ve gone from CCP control of the media spigot to pro-US regime billionaires controlling it. One step forward and another step back.

I mean, the previous administration famously pulled strings across Twitter and Facebook to demote right wing media outlets on those platforms. This kind of crap isn’t new, and needs to stop.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#84
post #7

This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker, don't let them divide us. For perspective, we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States. Think about how fast this came. EDIT: Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wro…

You said nothing wrong. Some people just feel embarrassed about being responsible for the current situation by voting for Trump. And they react to that embarrassment by trying to shift blame.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#85
post #61

I was watching a clip from the The Lost World (1925) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwzrwHnCtk ] the other day. I was struck by the silly (to my ears) orchestral fanfare scoring such a dramatic scene, and the fact that almost all of the men are wearing nearly identical outfits. It's still pretty much the same 20 years later in this video. The timbre of the voice of the narrator is another thing, so universal in m…

Their outfits aren't nearly identical, they only look that way to us because we weren't there and don't know the details. It's no different than how classic cars all look close to the same but someone who was there can just tell you at first glance "that one's a , that one's the top trim, and so on".

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#86
post #58

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What problems?

Well it's massively overtly nationalist for one. There's a hilarious sequence at the beginning that's just shots of American industry and agriculture.

The idea that national governments should not work for the good of their citizens is propaganda.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#87
post #54
post #23

I love that this was US propaganda at one point. The US always has failings, but this message is something we can be proud of.

Is it still true that Americans find it hard to see how this is very clearly propaganda? Yes, it's anti-Nazi but it's still has very obvious problems.

It is literally propaganda. Very good propaganda with a very good and truthful message. (Except maybe a bit of too much idealizing the US and also the role of the catholic church but the main point is fine.)

I guess the confusion is because in Western societies people are used to the doublespeak of only calling something propaganda when it is done by the "other side". The other side is "spreading the narrative" you are "reporting facts".

You use different words to describe the same thing. Like the good guys are "rebels" and the bad guys are "terrorists".

There is nothing wrong with propaganda. It can be used for good or bad. Just don't start falling for your own one.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#88
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What problems?

Well it's massively overtly nationalist for one. There's a hilarious sequence at the beginning that's just shots of American industry and agriculture.

Do you get this way about signs in restrooms telling you to wash your hands? Americans fall for that trick constantly.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#89
post #7

This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker, don't let them divide us. For perspective, we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States. Think about how fast this came. EDIT: Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wro…

it’s at least good for everyone to notice that a government can start enforcing the law at any time

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

#90
The real disservice of this sort of this sort of stuff is how flagrantly obvious they make the bad guy. Yeah, everyone can identify the idiot spouting off about skin color and engaging in an un-obfuscated textbook exercise in divide and conquer as probably not worth listening to. Patting yourself on the back becase you can identify it when it's flagrantly obvious is counterproductive.

The guy in the internet comment section or the Youtube talking head, subtly peddling inequality under the law under the guise of carrot and stick government policy games, he's the real evil. Because letting him guide you at every turn is what incrementally builds the cultural, ideological, political and procedural situation in which it's possible for the "comic book evil" type things to be possible.

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