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Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by more_corn »

ModernMech wrote: post #84
esalman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain in this context? Because prices do go down if supply exceed demand.

Education is weird as a product, because you're delivering the same experience to students but they each pay a different bespoke price. Sometimes schools even pay their own customers! When a rich person sends their kid to school they get charged full sticker price. Then schools use some of that money to subsidize the educations of the other students. Given those dynamics, there's really no reason for the tuition stic…

The students also get wildly different outcomes based on the choices they make. And it’s not always clear what the right choices are.

You can drift, you can work hard, you can work hard on the wrong thing, you can gain work experience, meet your future colleagues and life-partners.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by more_corn »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #25
LPisGood wrote: post #2

All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA.

Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

Not a win if your school cuts programs because of loss of 60% of revenue that used to come from foreign students.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by more_corn »

chucksta wrote: post #46
HDThoreaun wrote: post #32

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Zero sum ass mentality. Top performing international students are likely to start companies and create jobs which is great for US high school and college students.

Are top performing US students less likely to start companies and create jobs than international?

Yes. Look at the top ten tech companies. Their founders were foreign born and in cases where they weren’t they’re children of foreign born immigrants.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by the_real_cher »

LPisGood wrote: post #77
the_real_cher wrote: post #72

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Why not build the infrastructure with their smarts?

The path of least resistance is obviously to go where the infrastructure is. Also, smarts needed to bootstrap modern infrastructure from scratch with limited resources are different than smarts needed to design a popular app, for example.

Typically smart people arent limited to specific areas of being smart. That's kind of the definition of being smart is figuring things out.

Americans built modern infrastructure with our limited 'average' brains.

Should be simple for actual smart people.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by the_real_cher »

triceratops wrote: post #98
the_real_cher wrote: post #90

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Are you saying America was a backwater nation until non-european immigrants rescued them?

Are you saying America was ok taking immigrants only as long as they were European?

That was the law up until the the Hart Cellar act of the 60's.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by the_real_cher »

jeffbee wrote: post #74
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #64

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[flagged]

Yes, trying to parse out whether a name "is American" is the most racist thing, a giant red flag.

Theres a coorelation I hate to tell you

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by UncleMeat »

symlinkk wrote: post #68
recroad wrote: post #18

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You're assuming that there weren't enough spots for Americans and that they were getting denied due to foreigners. That's not true. For Americans who want a college education and don't get one is mostly because of the cost of education, which foreign students subsidize. This is a classic case of shooing yourself in the foot only because of a fear of the foreigner.

I thought colleges only had a limited number of slots to accept students each year. Seems like US citizens would be competing with foreign students in that case.

For most colleges the number of available slots is not constrained by some absolute limit but is instead constrained by their income available to pay for all the people and resources needed to educate these students.

Further, the most competitive universities artificially constrain acceptance rates because low acceptance rates make them more desirable.

Imagine we passed a federal law banning the children of parents who make more than $150,000 annually from attending college. Would this just mean that colleges take their same planned slots and give them to lower earning students? No. It'd be massively disruptive and change the available slots.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by NickC25 »

the_real_cher wrote: post #104
LPisGood wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The path of least resistance is obviously to go where the infrastructure is. Also, smarts needed to bootstrap modern infrastructure from scratch with limited resources are different than smarts needed to design a popular app, for example.

Typically smart people arent limited to specific areas of being smart. That's kind of the definition of being smart is figuring things out. Americans built modern infrastructure with our limited 'average' brains. Should be simple for actual smart people.

>Typically smart people arent limited to specific areas of being smart. That's kind of the definition of being smart is figuring things out.

Having worked with everyone over the course of my life from PhDs to construction workers, I'm going to have to hard disagree on this one. Just because someone is gifted in one area, does not mean their intelligence or domain expertise applies everywhere. Domain expertise is a real thing.

It's about maximizing your potential, and being in the best environment to do so. Building up that capacity might sound nice in theory, but in practice, you go where you can to get the best results possible.

Re: Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August

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Post by triceratops »

the_real_cher wrote: post #105
triceratops wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying America was ok taking immigrants only as long as they were European?

That was the law up until the the Hart Cellar act of the 60's.

I'm asking about things working better when only Europeans were allowed, not the law. You were implying the former with your comment.
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