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Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by HWR_14 »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #18
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

What we need is a leak of a Flock database. Ideally, due to a security fuck-up by someone other than the jurisdiction that installed them. (Company itself, or another city doing Flock's warrantless search feature.) Having granular location data for an entire town's license plates should still be creepy and damaging enough that it gets these things torn out and replaced with something more thoughtfully designed. (Side…

That didn't work for cellular location data, it probably won't work for license plate readers.

Did I miss a large leak of cellular location data? I would have guessed that would make headlines.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by mytailorisrich »

reify wrote: post #20

Here in the UK we also have London's congestion charge. All around the outskirts of London on all the main arterial roads, there are ANPR cameras tracking number plates to fine you, if you have not paid the £15 charge for entering the city. A worrying example of ANPR. I visited my mum one weekend, she lives over 300 miles from where I live on the egde of London. She had a phone call while I was there from the police.…

There are ANPR cameras all over the UK for the purpose of checking insurance, road tax, and wanted vehicles. They are usually much more discreet than speed cameras because they don't jave to make themselves visible, and in fact police forces don't make locations public. My understanding is that the police can keep records of all the vehicles that drove past for up to a year.

At least you were lucky that the criminal masterminds who cloned your car's number plate did not bother to match the make and model, that made it obvious to spot for the police. Otherwise you might have had trouble explaining...

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by Vitamin_Sushi »

Maybe I'm still bitter about having my car being hit twice, both times being a hit-and-run which I was basically 100% on the hook for, but maybe I'm okay with this (provided it's only on taxpayer funded roads only)? Driving, at least in the US, is a privilege and you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy out in public anyway.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Vitamin_Sushi wrote: post #73

Maybe I'm still bitter about having my car being hit twice, both times being a hit-and-run which I was basically 100% on the hook for, but maybe I'm okay with this (provided it's only on taxpayer funded roads only)? Driving, at least in the US, is a privilege and you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy out in public anyway.

Sounds like you're weighing a momentary convenience against an unbounded downside.

It's true that we have no expectation of privacy on the roads as individuals, but one thing that both ML researchers and evil dictators will agree on is that quantity has a quality all its own.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by Vitamin_Sushi »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #74
Vitamin_Sushi wrote: post #73

Maybe I'm still bitter about having my car being hit twice, both times being a hit-and-run which I was basically 100% on the hook for, but maybe I'm okay with this (provided it's only on taxpayer funded roads only)? Driving, at least in the US, is a privilege and you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy out in public anyway.

Sounds like you're weighing a momentary convenience against an unbounded downside. It's true that we have no expectation of privacy on the roads as individuals, but one thing that both ML researchers and evil dictators will agree on is that quantity has a quality all its own.

Traffic enforcement is abysmal in my city (I'm sure in many other places too), and our ever-increasing car insurance premiums reflect that. If there's a better way to enforce traffic laws or punish drunk drivers rear ending me and running off, then I'm all ears. Right now, the only other alternative I'm reading is letting the problem get worse.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by anon_cow1111 »

jacquesm wrote: post #51
stef25 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably why they are mounted 4 meters high

I have this 35 Watt laser I scored off aliexpress, it runs off 24V. I wonder...

For anyone who's actually wondering about this, 100-200mw is extremely damaging to camera sensors(also eyes) and doesn't cause birds to burst into flames from a stray reflection.

Most cheap pen-size laser pointers sold as "5mw" are actually 100+. As a general rule, if you can see the beam brightly when doing star pointing it's somewhere in this range

(but if Parent's laser is one of those sealed-tube Co2 lasers, it'll never touch the camera sensor itself because the beam doesn't go through glass. Might crack it after a couple seconds though)

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by jacquesm »

anon_cow1111 wrote: post #78
jacquesm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this 35 Watt laser I scored off aliexpress, it runs off 24V. I wonder...

For anyone who's actually wondering about this, 100-200mw is extremely damaging to camera sensors(also eyes) and doesn't cause birds to burst into flames from a stray reflection. Most cheap pen-size laser pointers sold as "5mw" are actually 100+. As a general rule, if you can see the beam brightly when doing star pointing it's somewhere in this range (but if Parent's laser is one of those sealed-tube Co2 lasers, it'l…

It's a green stacked diode laser. Collimation is poor but at a couple of meters any kind of sensor will be slag in a few seconds.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Post by bokohut »

Fifteen years ago now in Dec 2010 I made a post on my now defunct blog about ALPR and I updated it for a few years. My experiences with LE along side my technical skillset had me 'finding' things. I wont post the entire blog entry text since it is too long for this format but I did include some relevant entries to the point of how long this has really been occurring. Links are very old so YMMV.

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Dec 1 2010 Automated License Plate Readers - ALPR So tonight someone we will call the "suspect" robbed a liquor store with a shotgun and the Delaware State Police were in action with ALPR technology. It was stated by a witness that the "suspect" was seen getting into a late 90's model civic or small hatchback so thus the ALPR call. At the same time troopers were going door to door in the area checking on the well fair of residence in the area. Aside from a helicopter, K9 tracking, and what was at least 15 law enforcement officers from various local jurisdictions setup in a layered perimeter around the area the suspect evaded. I have included a mp3 segment of the Automatic License Plate Recognition vehicle convo and a swf clip showing a trooper setup at an exterior perimeter point.

UPDATE: 08/07/2011 Finally the word is out as they only had it for years. Link with video http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110807/NEWS02/108070...

UPDATE2: 12/02/2011 National general news on ALPR http://www.privacylives.com/washington-post-eyes-turn-to-lic...

UPDATE3: 12/08/2011 Have enough bank? - then you can even buy it http://www.avigilon.com/products/licenseplaterecognition/

UPDATE4: 07/31/2012 Getting some more press http://www.aclu.org/automatic-license-plate-readers-threat-a... Are they watching you? http://www.aclu.org/maps/automatic-license-plate-readers-are...

UPDATE5: 07/16/2012 Tracking you illegally? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57594179/aclu-warns-of-m...

UPDATE6: 04/07/2015 Gone and done it - Even with all the Ed Snowden press now they are going national with ALPR. https://cdt.org/blog/government-keeps-its-eyes-on-the-road-w...

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