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Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

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Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#21

One more reason to love GDPR: this kind of thing is illegal in the EU.

Are you aware that we had overhead cameras on the streets for a couple of decades, or more?

They are used to read - and recognize - plates.

The official use is to check if the car is insured, or if a stolen / marked car is going through the road, in both cases the police is dispatched to check on the vehichle

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#22

What we need is a leak of a Flock database. Ideally, due to a security fuck-up by someone other than the jurisdiction that installed them. (Company itself, or another city doing Flock's warrantless search feature.) Having granular location data for an entire town's license plates should still be creepy and damaging enough that it gets these things torn out and replaced with something more thoughtfully designed. (Side…

That didn't work for cellular location data, it probably won't work for license plate readers.

> didn't work for cellular location data

The fact that the data would be local is why I suspect the response would be different.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#23
https://hackaday.com/2025/09/18/a-deep-dive-on-creepy-camera...

> uses a Raspberry Pi 5, a Halo AI board, and You Only Look Once (YOLO) recognition software to build a “computer vision system that’s much more accurate than anything on the market for law enforcement” for $250

https://github.com/bennjordan/ALPRovingGround

> A simple Python application to test adversarial noise attacks on license plate recognition systems (see my PlateShapez demo) and create an output dataset to train more effective attack models.. small, hardly-noticeable, random gaussian shapes to confuse AI license plate readers

"Flock's gunshot detection microphones will start listening for human voices" (250 comments), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45473698

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#24
post #20

Here in the UK we also have London's congestion charge. All around the outskirts of London on all the main arterial roads, there are ANPR cameras tracking number plates to fine you, if you have not paid the £15 charge for entering the city. A worrying example of ANPR. I visited my mum one weekend, she lives over 300 miles from where I live on the egde of London. She had a phone call while I was there from the police.…

Or they called your mum because she's your mum and top of the list to call? No creepy additional surveillance required there.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#25

https://hackaday.com/2025/09/18/a-deep-dive-on-creepy-camera... > uses a Raspberry Pi 5, a Halo AI board, and You Only Look Once (YOLO) recognition software to build a “computer vision system that’s much more accurate than anything on the market for law enforcement” for $250 https://github.com/bennjordan/ALPRovingGround > A simple Python application to test adversarial noise attacks on license plate recognition syste…

Thanks for the links. I am interested in creating my own number plate reader to scratch an itch. How many of those cars on the roads have I seen before?

My hunch is that, on my local journeys, I have seen the majority of cars before, to just see them as generic cars, with none of them special, apart from a few owned by friends and a few idiosyncratic vehicles (tractors, pre-war classic cars and anything else rare).

I could be wrong with most cars being totally new to me, maybe not on the road outside my door, but on the big road that my road joins on to.

My use case is as a cyclist. So that Raspberry Pi will need to be carried somehow. There aren't too many cyclists around in my neck of the woods, therefore, even though I might see all cars as generic boxes, their drivers might see me as 'there is that stupid cyclist again', hopefully to give me space on the road.

We all have to get along on the roads and I don't want any conflict, mostly because I will need to use the same roads again and I wouldn't want to meet someone on the road after some silly road-rage type of incident. Therefore, knowing how many cars are actually new to me would be useful to know.

This applies to so much else, even the birds in the garden, where I can't tell one sparrow from another. It would be great to know which of them are residents and which ones are from out of town. Birds don't wear number plates though.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#26

One more reason to love GDPR: this kind of thing is illegal in the EU.

ANPRs are very popular and common in the EU. More so than in the US, even.

The linked new articles talk about some private company selling camera access to law enforcement. I don't think that's a popular setup in the EU, EU law enforcement/traffic authorities seems more likely to run the cameras themselves.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#27
Huh...

I live in a small town a ways out of the downtown area, so I thought "they're probably only on the highway where I've seen cameras"... Nope, basically every intersection with a stoplight near me is listed as having four nodes. Much more densely than nearby larger cities on the map even...

I don't like that one bit.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#29

What we need is a leak of a Flock database. Ideally, due to a security fuck-up by someone other than the jurisdiction that installed them. (Company itself, or another city doing Flock's warrantless search feature.) Having granular location data for an entire town's license plates should still be creepy and damaging enough that it gets these things torn out and replaced with something more thoughtfully designed. (Side…

> What we need is a leak of a Flock database

In anticipation of this happening someone should build an open source project that processes data points from these cameras, reconstructs movement, correlates the data with with various public and non-public databases, and provides a searchable user interface that will make the average person shit their pants through combination of panic and disgust when they see it.

Then just wait for the inevitable data leak and let the public track the movements of every politician and lobbyist (by name), correlated with their other activities, as well as track anonymized members of the general public.

The average person won't ever "get it" unless they see a system like that for themselves. That might not be enough either but it would lead to some progress if executed well.

Re: Find Nearby Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR)

#30

If you don't want to take the risk destroying or spray painting the lense or solar panels of these devices, a picket sign installed right in front of it works pretty well while probably not getting you sent to jail. You may even be able to get away with ziptying a trashbag over it without too much fuss.

Probably why they are mounted 4 meters high
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