Fixed headline: "How Israel caused famine in Gaza". There is an editorial voice reserved purely for blunting reporting on American and Israeli state crimes that drives me nuts.
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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized
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Would it be acceptable even with a justification?
Potentially. The main ingredient in Hamas' rocket fuel is sugar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_candy That would be an acceptable justification for confiscating sugar. If Hamas were making rocket fuel somehow out of baby formula, then yes, that would be an acceptable justification. That said baby formula cannot in fact be meaningfully used to make explosives, so this is not acceptable.
Starving infants is morally justifiable if it's possible to make a rocket from their food?
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#793You can donate to help break the cycle of IDF impunity.
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Would it be acceptable even with a justification?
If a justification was given we'd be able to evaluate the worthiness of that decision - if there were technical notes about, for instance, food safety concerns, we could evaluate the justification against other standards in different areas of the world around proper formula storage. Without a justification the decision is arbitrary and silences any ability to push back against it within the normal bounds of dialog. A…
Starving infants is justifiable sometimes? When?
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#795"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.
Definitions matter. It's possible for an organization to redefine "acutely malnourished" as less than 4000 Cal/day, and then use that to make an accusation. Is that reasonable? No, because that does not match reality. It's unreasonable to criticize pushback on changing definitions because definitions should be pushed toward reality.
Are Gazans receiving adequate nutrition? If not, why are we discussing semantics?
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Plausible deniability dried up as the blatantly skewed results of this “conflict” became impossible to ignore.
And Israel will still get away with it. There will be delays, complaints, but 10 years from now Israel will have Gaza and at best the Palestinians, reduced in number, will live in a small ghettos. At worst somewhere else or dead
They will get away with it if we believe we are powerless to change it. Russia has been proven to be pushing defeatist propaganda similar to your sentiment, and I'm sure Israel has been as well.
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in this case they divert more desirable goods that they sell and make aid agencies pay protection money for "securing shipments". as example, there was a story on Israeli news a couple of months ago, about some NGO that setup a new aid distribution network. One day they got some of their people killed in Gaza and received a phone call demanding payment "or else"
> there was a story on Israeli news Was it credible? Who made the phone call?
story credible. channel 12 news is very solid organization and their investigations resulted in a bunch of criminal cases.
essentially ngo established this summer (july/august) new aid distribution network, I think it was at south with it's own drivers, distribution points, etc. during the time when supposedly was impossible to bring aid in gaza, but in reality it was going in.
"local interests" in gaza didn't like it, as NGO wasn't paying protection fees so they killed some of people who helped ngo in gaza and made threatening calls to person who runs NGO demanding payments or that this person will be harmed and distribution will be stopped.
not sure how it all ended. my guess it was "public" ask from military or security services to get involved in some way
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You may not realize it but Israel is slowly becoming Rhodesia/Apartheid South Africa. And i don't mean the word 'apartheid' as a cudgel. During the Rhodesian Bush War, their forces ran circles around the ZIPRA and ZANLA with multiple battles and encounters where they'd routinely record 500:1 KD ratios like Operation Dingo, etc. They had complete freedom of action to bomb any infrastructure obstructing them, reach dee…
I’m one of the folks whose opinion of Israel has shifted. I don’t see them as a “genocidal terrorist state.” I see them as “just another middle eastern country.” While it’s bad what’s happening, it’s still nowhere near Syrian or Yemeni levels, although that may change. The best analogy I can think of is the Allied conduct in Germany at the end of WWII. WWII was a just and defensive war. But the bombing of Dresden and…
>I’m one of the folks whose opinion of Israel has shifted. I don’t see them as a “genocidal terrorist state.” I see them as “just another middle eastern country.”
Okay. Opinions are on a spectrum. just like you, hundreds of millions of people who used to be pretty neutral on Israel now have strong opinions on the country. As a country, you generally want to blend in like Singapore/Switzerland and just not attract attention. Israel is attracting that attention, and for very bad reasons.
Western voters are childlike and emotional. They hate seeing blood on screen, children crying, starving, dying, being squeezed in queues for food. For any reason at all. Israel might seem like just another middle eastern country to you, but when you aggregate across 8 billion people, the average vibe has shifted negatively. By a lot.
>While it’s bad what’s happening, it’s still nowhere near Syrian or Yemeni levels
Tell that to Western voters who will be voting for 50 years. No one cares. just make it stop.
>But they’re still a legitimate country, just like, say, Saudi Arabia.
You're being nuanced. Cool. But the average human is not. Good luck beaming that moderate position into everyone's minds.
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> A government that can kick down the door of the house you were born in has a duty to give you voting rights. 100% The most basic principle in democratic government is that those subject to the monopoly of violence should also have a voice in how that violence is managed.
> The most basic principle in democratic government is that those subject to the monopoly of violence should also have a voice in how that violence is managed. I'm pretty sure most democracies also have a right to decide who can become a citizen. Forcing a country to give citizenship to enemy combatants would be kinda crazy, regardless of whether or not the territory those combatants operate from is under a military…
Isn't that basically the USA regime's logic for stripping citizenship from people who vote against the regime?
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#800Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…
Some have described what we're seeing as an impassioned overreaction to Hamas' initial strike and kidnappings. However, Netanyahu's actions appear far more deliberate. Rhetoric from his own cabinet ministers is now impossible to ignore. The IDF has taken a very slow and careful approach. There are typically under a hundred Palestinians killed at a time, but they are killed most days with a high degree of consistency.…
Also the fact they were doing it long before Oct 7 2023 proves it wasn't caused by anything that happened on Oct 7 2023.