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Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by OutOfHere »

Gigachad wrote: post #34
komali2 wrote: post #2

I just don't understand why people accept the sheer arrogance of the design of Tesla vehicles. I don't need to worry about the programming of the computer controlling the door handle in a Honda civic - it's mechanical and will work in basically all circumstances excluding catastrophic mechanical damage - in which case there's 3 backups on the other doors or I'm crushed anyway and it's irrelevant. Meanwhile I hear sto…

Cybertruck owners are mentally lacking. That was obvious from the start.

Young people just don't have the necessary life knowledge and experiences to avoid unsafe choices. The mental capacity often develops after some harsh life lessons, so long as one survives them.

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by altairprime »

grogenaut wrote: post #7

Note, linked article has no details. This sublinked article has some https://www.newsweek.com/3-dead-after-tesla-cybertruck-crash... It's completely unclear to me from this article if they failed to open because of computer control or mechanical damage. The car was on fire, I think, that's not exactly a trivial crash (though the 2nd article a fire chief says it didn't look like heavy damage to cause a fire) And they…

Tesla makes a pointed effort to withhold data at all costs, as demonstrated in a recent court case. Take care that their success in that regard does not unknowingly mislead your evaluations of safety claims against them.

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by xboxnolifes »

jpalawaga wrote: post #32
Maro wrote: post #16

Things I would never do: • buy a car where the doors and not mechanical • buy a car with a huge screen in the middle • drink and drive • do cocaine

That’s funny considering driving any sort of a car is a higher risk activity than cocaine, statistically speaking. So perhaps you should not buy any car at all! ;-)

Before or after controlling for frequency of use?

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by orwin »

jdadj wrote: post #24
dreamcompiler wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas have half mechanical door releases: If you're inside the vehicle it's easy to open the doors without power--at least the front doors. The mechanical latches in the rear doors are difficult to find. But the mechanical latches are not accessible from the outside, and they should be. That's why I call them half mechanical.

Lots of cars have mechanical latches that automatically lock when driving over 10mph. I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the safety of non-mechanical doors. But are these auto-locking mechanical doors any better?

The autolock disengage either 5 seconds after the airbags, or when current is cut. I think autolock feature is mandatory in the EU, as keeping doors close during a crash help with structural integrity.

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by orwin »

raspasov wrote: post #12
tanvach wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bringing up the design flaws of my Model Y in any Tesla groups and I got endless amount of toxicity or aggressive responses. Theres a lot of fanboyism unfortunately. Reminds me of Apple during the Jobs era, but more insidious.

It’s true that before Apple Silicon one could make the argument that the hardware benefits of a Mac were mostly incremental vs a PC. But today that’s not true anymore. Today Apple is both form and function. I’ve personally heard many misguided people still repeating blindly that Apple is “just” fancy design without having used Apple Silicon computer.

Apple computers (unlike their tablet or phones) are saved by extremely good Devs who managed to implement a very good package versions control, brew, and a lot of external software (non-webkit browser being the biggest) make the computer actually good.

I think Apple native package version control is worse than IIS pre-version 7, and that's saying something (maybe it's better now, but that used to be the worse).

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by lawn »

bchris4 wrote: post #22

It hit a tree at like 70-80mph - no car is going to have doors that work properly after the entire frame is deformed like that, it’s not about the handles

Gotta love the backseat drivers on HN who have no idea what they're talking about but still do it confidently.

Hardly a surprise that the Tesla engineers come from the same breed.

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by oskarkk »

Veserv wrote: post #19

But all you need to do to open the door mechanically is rummage around in the rear door pocket, remove the rubber mat, then pull the mechanical release cable: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T4Rs2OQLrWw What could be simpler after getting into a crash? And there is no reason to talk about how people burn to death in Tesla's at ~4x the per-mile rate of the average car. I mean, Tesla releases intentionally deceptive sta…

> And there is no reason to talk about how people burn to death in Tesla's at ~4x the per-mile rate of the average car.

Do you have a source for that?

Re: Rescuer at Fatal Tesla Cybertruck Crash Says Car Doors Wouldn't Open

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Post by Veserv »

oskarkk wrote: post #48
Veserv wrote: post #19

But all you need to do to open the door mechanically is rummage around in the rear door pocket, remove the rubber mat, then pull the mechanical release cable: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T4Rs2OQLrWw What could be simpler after getting into a crash? And there is no reason to talk about how people burn to death in Tesla's at ~4x the per-mile rate of the average car. I mean, Tesla releases intentionally deceptive sta…

> And there is no reason to talk about how people burn to death in Tesla's at ~4x the per-mile rate of the average car. Do you have a source for that?

Here is one of my posts on reddit with citations for 2022, the most recent year with ground truth NHTSA data as of that post:

https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1h6fzvr/tesla_bu...

For the Cybertruck in particular you can see my post about their fatal fire rates from 8 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43039925

Tesla Cybertruck has ~40x the vehicle-year normalized fire fatality rate of the average car and was responsible for excess annual fire deaths on the order of the excess annual fire deaths of the Ford Pinto.

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