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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by LinXitoW »

Amir_A wrote: post #57

What I find the most jarring about this on a day-to-day being in tech circles is how some of the smartest people I know are not only unwilling to call out what's happening, they're unwilling to acknowledge it to begin with, and some like the triangle man and Collison brothers even support it. The more time I spend in tech the more I realize there's a deep moral rot here covered up by noveau-rich wealth

There's a special brand of anti-intellectualism running rampant in tech circles. They've drunk the koolaid on STEM vs. humanities and therefore glorify their willful ignorance towards all things "soft" science, like morals or philosophy.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by protocolture »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #540
LightBug1 wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> can understand why desperate people, whose land is increasingly stolen, whose rights are increasingly abused, and who cannot see their lives improve would turn (or be turned) to an organisation who would ultimately commit such abhorrent acts I can't. It doesn't work and makes you the bad guy. Even if just temporarily, that's enough for the other side to exploit. It's always been enough for the other side to exploit…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by michaelbarton »

danielbenzvi wrote: post #497
softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

Calling the old PA-led status quo “far better” ignores how dysfunctional and destructive it was. The PA was given territory, money, and international legitimacy after Oslo, yet instead of building a transparent, functioning state, it became notorious for corruption, power struggles, and failing to deliver basic services. Worse, during that same period, suicide bombings and the Second Intifada erupted under its watch,…

not detracting from your point, I found this line somewhat describes the current situation in the US right now with the government shutdown

“it became notorious for corruption, power struggles, and failing to deliver basic services”

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jhallenworld »

danielbenzvi wrote: post #497
softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

Calling the old PA-led status quo “far better” ignores how dysfunctional and destructive it was. The PA was given territory, money, and international legitimacy after Oslo, yet instead of building a transparent, functioning state, it became notorious for corruption, power struggles, and failing to deliver basic services. Worse, during that same period, suicide bombings and the Second Intifada erupted under its watch,…

In other words it was like most governments of the world.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bdangubic wrote: post #416
dfxm12 wrote: post #29

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That they have the backing and blessing of the US government is the counter-argument to this. The US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to.

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> Israel fully controls USA (especially this administration)

This is the political equivalent of Flat Eartherism.

The 'Earth is a perfect sphere' take would be that there are significant numbers of Americans for whom Israel is a single-issue item, and significantly more for whom it's a top three. These voters can swing elections in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and possibly Michigan, and so are given a lot of deference by the Congress and President.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Humorist2290 »

jmyeet wrote: post #520
Humorist2290 wrote: post #482

So focusing on the details of the situation in Gaza is quite awful. The general tone of the comments in this thread, along with basically any public forum I think speaks for the reverberation of human suffering throughout this -- civilians are being made into casualties, Israeli and Palestinian, and it's terrible. Taking a broader perspective, large parts of the human race have come to realize famine is a relic of th…

Famine is political, always. The world produces a significant excess of food. The only reason famine exists is because one group of people is perfectly happy to starve another group of people. Gaza is not unique here although Gaza is a aprticularly egregious example of industrial mass starvation and death at the hands of a highly-developed military and state actor.

I can't disagree. Modern famine is a tool used to cause harm indiscriminately. It is a testament to the human capacity for cognitive dissonance that so many people can be against the starvation of children yet support politicians responsible for mass starvation.

Though my point was more about considering the historical context. Famines used to happen all the time but largely because of crop failures. That famine is _caused_ has become common knowledge is, I think, at least an improvement. ~All~ Most of the famines that could've happened for the old reasons haven't.

Admittedly, I'm grasping at straws to avoid dwelling on the horrid situation at hand.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dayjaby »

bamboozled wrote: post #523
softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

I feel like you could say Ukraine were backed into a corner, multiple times, they didn't resort to October 7 levels of horror either. In fact, there is not a single documented case where they have attacked civilians or civilian infrastructure. So while I'm not closed to the idea that Netanyahu is a bad man. I find it hard to rationalize the actions of the people who were "backed into a corner"?

In 2014 they burned a building with civilians inside: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by LightBug1 »

bamboozled wrote: post #526
LightBug1 wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I can understand why desperate people, whose land is increasingly stolen, whose rights are increasingly abused, and who cannot see their lives improve would turn (or be turned) to an organisation who would ultimately commit such abhorrent acts. There are a lot of examples of really bad stuff happening to groups of people over the centuries, very few of them have resorted to October 7 levels of horror. I'm not Jewish,…

Comparison of two peoples occupation and suffering and response to it is quite unfair.

And you act as if Oct 7th is the be all and end all of the story of the Palestine/Israel. "Oct 7th levels of horror". I won't excuse Hamas for what they did, but worse levels of horror have been inflicted on the Palestinian people. It's odd you ignore those levels or are ignorant to them. Just saying.

And you say 99% of people lost the ability to feel sympathy. I'll dispute that because the sane among us don't blame civilians for the actions of a paramilitary organisation gone wild. But let's pretend you're right. Isn't it ironic then that the world has so strongly turned against Israel now? (at least in the UN and your average people).

I'll contend that Israel may have destroyed Gaza, but in so doing they have destroyed their reputation and brought ill and hatred to their people now for a generation.

I'll defend Jews always as many have stood side by side with those against what's happening in Israel. But Israel has made their lives harder. Israel's actions have now made it much, much easier for the crazy people among us to do crazy things (c.f. today's Manchester, UK synagogue terrorist attack).

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