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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by hackandthink »

ignoramous wrote: post #271
justin66 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

> how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th ... people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold ... the stakes are higher What are the factors that transform a society that is generally decent, even if not free from flaws, into a society devoid of any moral restraints, into a multitude that wallows in the dubious pleasure of its cohesion and unity, indifferent to suffering, compl…

Huffner is Haffner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Haffner

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by stale2002 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #364
JamesAdir wrote: post #336

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> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)

> way past where it made sense.

If they don't destroy Hamas now, then a war will happen again in another 10 years. At which point 10s of thousands of palestinians will needlessly die, again. The only resolution to all of this, will happen when Hamas is completely disarmed and out of power.

You can criticize how Israel goes about achieving that goal. But that goal is the only one that gets to a real, permanent peace.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

asadm wrote: post #193

I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

> Israel funds Hamas

Funded. Past tense. We funded the Mujahideen, once, and then got bombed by their successors.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by nicce »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #358
hashstring wrote: post #344

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Ah, let’s try your logic the opposite way around: if hamas and the middle east is so hostile, why do Israeli’s not move to some flyover state. What do you think? You are shockingly uninformed. All major human rights organizations are saying the exact same thing: Israel is actively committing a genocide.

> All major human rights organizations are saying the exact same thing: Israel is actively committing a genocide Your argument loses credibility when you overstep like this. Human rights organisations (and credible third parties) agree that Gaza is in famine . The term genocide is not universally applied, though it is increasingly and increasingly credibly, albeit at the expense of the clarity of the term.

> Human rights organisations (and credible third parties) agree that Gaza is in famine. The term genocide is not universally applied, though it is increasingly and increasingly credibly, albeit at the expense of the clarity of the term.

UN commission uses word genocide [0].

ICJ used word "plausible" [1].

HRW has used the word genocide [2]

...actually the list of explicit accusation of genocide is quite big [3].

Is there some single, powerful organisation left that does not agree that there is genocide? All the big mentioned also [4].

[0]: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

[2]: https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-exterminat...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human...

[4]: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/09/1165856

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Post by phgn »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398
chakintosh wrote: post #377

> How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza Way to whitewash a genocide. The title make it sound like the famine is accidental or an unintended consequence of Israel's "actions". While in reality, it's the sole purpose of what Israel is doing in Gaza for years, they are conducting a genocide, plain and simple.

> Way to whitewash a genocide I honestly think invoking the g- word is harmful to the Palestinian cause at this point. It's a war. There are war crimes. Maybe there's genocidal intent. But that seems like a distraction compared to actual harm on the ground.

The UN calls it a genocide now. What evidence more do you need?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by flyinglizard »

monocasa wrote: post #280
flyinglizard wrote: post #243

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Just to be fair, Israel itself is considered illegitimate by those parties. I doubt most democracies would let parties that are staunchly anti-state run, but Israel, for some reason, does.

Hadash is not an anti-state party. For instance it explicitly supports a two state solution.

Hadash is a communist party, first and foremost. But the Arab parties - Balad, Raam, Taal - they are advocating for Palestinian "right of return" and turning Israel into a bi-national state, therefore ending what we know as Israel today.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mk89 wrote: post #247
asadm wrote: post #193

I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.

> Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine

Would note that none of the recent recognitions, to my knowledge, said anything about borders. A Palestinian state that solely exists in the West Bank would be consistent with these statements.

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Post by Vosporos »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #128
starik36 wrote: post #97

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Isn’t it true that some of the leadership doesn’t live in gaza at all?

Leadership of the political organisation, not all. However the military branch's leadership is/was in Gaza (like Yahya Sinwar and others who were killed)

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Hikikomori »

nradov wrote: post #342
doodlebugging wrote: post #51

Samantha Power wrote an excellent book: "A Problem From Hell" - America and the Age of Genocide [0], [1] She had seen war and genocide first-hand in Bosnia and that provided the impetus for her to study how America had responded to various genocides. I will repeat the last paragraph of her Preface for some context. >Before I began exploring America's relationship with genocide, I used to refer to U.S. policy towards…

Genocide is a terrible thing. But that doesn't mean the USA has any obligation to directly intervene in foreign conflicts. Most of these aren't worth sacrificing the life of a single US soldier, and even when we do intervene it often makes the situation worse. Unless critical US national interests are involved, our actions should usually be limited to sanctions and diplomacy. (I am commenting on the general US policy…

Most of the time US sells the weapons used to do the genocide. This time they're just giving them away, and that is what a lot of Americans have a problem with.
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