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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by doodlebugging »

Samantha Power wrote an excellent book: "A Problem From Hell" - America and the Age of Genocide [0], [1]

She had seen war and genocide first-hand in Bosnia and that provided the impetus for her to study how America had responded to various genocides.

I will repeat the last paragraph of her Preface for some context.

>Before I began exploring America's relationship with genocide, I used to refer to U.S. policy towards Bosnia as a "failure." I have changed my mind. It is daunting to acknowledge, but this country's consistent policy of nonintervention in the face of genocide offers sad testimony not to a broken American political system but to one that is ruthlessly effective. The system, as it stands now, is working. No U.S. president has ever made genocide prevention a priority, and no U.S. president has ever suffered politically for his indifference to its occurrence. It is thus no coincidence that genocide rages on.

[0] https://samanthapower.com/books/a-problem-from-hell-america-...

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by tdeck »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #22

There is massive narrative deception from Israel... wake up world: >“There is no famine in Gaza. Period,” the [Israeli] official said, adding that “Israel and the IDF are trying to strengthen the humanitarian situation in Gaza with partners.” If you want to see what Netanyaho looks like when he's covering things up [lying] just watch the 2024 documentary The Bibi Files — about his corruption charges (which features o…

World leaders know this, they're pretending not to see it. For example, the Biden administration set specific aid targets for Israel to meet and even acknowledged that they weren't being met by the "deadline" but neglected to impose any consequences.

https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-depar...

Israelis (including those who use this platform to repeat the same warmed-over genocide denials for the umpteenth time) know it's happening too. That's why the argument is usually 50% "it's not happening" and 50% "but they deserve it".

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by tdeck »

pydry wrote: post #37
boxed wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fully align" is not supported by your reference. The massive demonstrations in the street seem to counter your narrative though.

The demonstrations are about his power grabs. They have 0 to do with the genocide. On that topic most Israelis are not against him. It is, in fact, what is keeping him in power and why he wants this war so badly. ~15% of Israelis believe that a terrorist who shot up a mosque (literally all he did) is a national hero. It shouldnt be that that hard to imagine that most of the rest are willing to look the other way in t…

More evidence of this in a poll from earlier this year.

https://archive.is/nNzq4

(It's an archive link because the original is paywalled).

> Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants."

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dlubarov »

churchill wrote: post #34
dash2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Systematic rape, torture, murder, of non-Jews has been their policy for decades now. I'd like some evidence for each of these three. I'm aware of the policy of interrogation which might count as "a policy of systematic torture". Can you do systematic rape and murder?

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

myrmidon wrote: post #45
churchill wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that , too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities). But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.

Holocaust had 6M jewish victims[1] (depending how you count). Current confirmed gaza death count is -as yet- ~65K [2], with projected ~600K at risk by year's end [3][4][5]. The original population of gaza was ~2M [6] which sets the upper bound to the crisis. (If you look at it as a % of population, it's quite a large number already.)

Of course, one can argue that if the allies had been able to intervene sooner, the holocaust would have been less severe. Obviously we'd like to demonstrate some lessons learned here.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany

[2] https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat...

[3] https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo...

[4] https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/syste...

[5] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-wa...

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Amir_A »

What I find the most jarring about this on a day-to-day being in tech circles is how some of the smartest people I know are not only unwilling to call out what's happening, they're unwilling to acknowledge it to begin with, and some like the triangle man and Collison brothers even support it.

The more time I spend in tech the more I realize there's a deep moral rot here covered up by noveau-rich wealth

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JohnFen »

incrudible wrote: post #50
JohnFen wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and equally, stop the collective punishment/ethnic cleansing of innocent people.

What is a boycott, if not collective punishment?

A boycott is people choosing where to spend their money (exercising their right of free association). That's not even in the same universe as punishing innocent people by murdering and starving them.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dataflow »

rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by iisan7 »

doodlebugging wrote: post #51

Samantha Power wrote an excellent book: "A Problem From Hell" - America and the Age of Genocide [0], [1] She had seen war and genocide first-hand in Bosnia and that provided the impetus for her to study how America had responded to various genocides. I will repeat the last paragraph of her Preface for some context. >Before I began exploring America's relationship with genocide, I used to refer to U.S. policy towards…

Readers should be dubious of her moral authority on this issue. When given influence, her advocacy of the war on Libya resulted in endemic violence and showed that she was as misguided as anyone else in American politics when it comes to intervention in world affairs.
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