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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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That they have the backing and blessing of the US government is the counter-argument to this. The US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to.

How is that a counter-argument?

US has a lot of both soft and hard power globally. If you don't treat their puppet state with deference (and do treat it as an outcast), you can face consequences. The current US admin is using this as a stick against its own citizens, even.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Reminder: Only right wing supporters of Iaraeli Likud party actually support genocide going on. Literally half of Israeli citizens hate Likud and Natanyahu. ps. Interesting trivia: Mahmoud Abbas (President of the Palestinian West Bank) and FATAH militia also are against Hamas. They always have been: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict Nothing is black or white.

Opposition to Netanyahu inside Israel is almost entirely about domestic issues (like judicial reform) and the fact that he refuses to accept any negotiated deal to get the hostages back. Relatively few Israelis care about what he's doing to the Palestinians.

Israeli society is deeply complicit in the mass killing and starvation in Gaza. The IDF is a citizen army. There haven't been mass refusals or resistance. It's not just Netanyahu.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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How is that a counter-argument?

US has a lot of both soft and hard power globally. If you don't treat their puppet state with deference (and do treat it as an outcast), you can face consequences. The current US admin is using this as a stick against its own citizens, even.

OK, but I still don't see how that's a counterargument to the proposition that "There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale."

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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"Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group, or calling it a euphemism for genocide or cultural genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

-cide is a latin suffix that quite simply means "kill". Trying to call ethnic cleansing genocide is like calling divorce mariticide or moving away from home patricide. The correct latin term would be something like "expulsio gentium".

Gazans are not being expelled though.

Netanyahu's equivalent of the Nazi Madagascar Plan fell through, just like the Madagascar Plan did.

His Plan B was the same as the Nazi Plan B: Genocide.

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You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that, too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities).

But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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US has a lot of both soft and hard power globally. If you don't treat their puppet state with deference (and do treat it as an outcast), you can face consequences. The current US admin is using this as a stick against its own citizens, even.

OK, but I still don't see how that's a counterargument to the proposition that "There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale."

Oh, I reacted to GP's entire comment, not just the first sentence.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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"Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group, or calling it a euphemism for genocide or cultural genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

-cide is a latin suffix that quite simply means "kill". Trying to call ethnic cleansing genocide is like calling divorce mariticide or moving away from home patricide. The correct latin term would be something like "expulsio gentium".

Raphael Lemkin, the guy who first coined the term "genocide", considered "cultural genocide" (the killing of a culture if you will), a central component of genocide.

Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but people generally resist being ethnic cleansed, and so the perpetrators have to kill a lot of them.

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Reminder: Only right wing supporters of Iaraeli Likud party actually support genocide going on. Literally half of Israeli citizens hate Likud and Natanyahu. ps. Interesting trivia: Mahmoud Abbas (President of the Palestinian West Bank) and FATAH militia also are against Hamas. They always have been: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict Nothing is black or white.

Does Israel have a government structure that allows for a counter-majoritarian government?

In the US, we do... due to the structure of the Senate and Electoral College, low population states wield outsize influence on national politics. This goes as far as allowing the election of a president with <50% national support. Add in political gerrymandering (setting electrical districts to constrain the influence of certain demographics), and we have a national government that's opposed to policies that have wide support across the population in general.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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> Systematic rape, torture, murder, of non-Jews has been their policy for decades now. I'd like some evidence for each of these three. I'm aware of the policy of interrogation which might count as "a policy of systematic torture". Can you do systematic rape and murder?

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There is an abundance of allegations and testimony from not exactly neutral sources and a few isolated cases that have actual evidence going for them - which have been investigated and prosecuted by authorities.
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