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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by lupire »

jameshilliard wrote: post #177
buyucu wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.

> And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades. The blockade was also imposed by Egypt[0] and Hamas certainly provided no shortage of security related justifications for the blockade. Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

The October 7 attacks only succeeded because Netanyahu opened the military border to let them in.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by nradov »

doodlebugging wrote: post #51

Samantha Power wrote an excellent book: "A Problem From Hell" - America and the Age of Genocide [0], [1] She had seen war and genocide first-hand in Bosnia and that provided the impetus for her to study how America had responded to various genocides. I will repeat the last paragraph of her Preface for some context. >Before I began exploring America's relationship with genocide, I used to refer to U.S. policy towards…

Genocide is a terrible thing. But that doesn't mean the USA has any obligation to directly intervene in foreign conflicts. Most of these aren't worth sacrificing the life of a single US soldier, and even when we do intervene it often makes the situation worse. Unless critical US national interests are involved, our actions should usually be limited to sanctions and diplomacy.

(I am commenting on the general US policy and not making a statement about the current situation in Gaza.)

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by RobertoG »

JamesAdir wrote: post #334
mef51 wrote: post #91

Israel blocks the entry of Plumpy Nut into Gaza, a peanut-butter like paste meant for treating severe acute malnutrition. They say it is a luxury item Hamas might steal.[1] The amount of evidence Israel is committing genocide is embarrassing. [1] https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1971582137947295831

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Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? They want the land, that's it. It could be done little by little or it could be done like now, when they have an excuse. But the end goal is the same.

Do you think that what they are doing in the west-bank have anything to do with the hostages or Hamas?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by hashstring »

JamesAdir wrote: post #334
mef51 wrote: post #91

Israel blocks the entry of Plumpy Nut into Gaza, a peanut-butter like paste meant for treating severe acute malnutrition. They say it is a luxury item Hamas might steal.[1] The amount of evidence Israel is committing genocide is embarrassing. [1] https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1971582137947295831

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Ah, let’s try your logic the opposite way around: if hamas and the middle east is so hostile, why do Israeli’s not move to some flyover state. What do you think?

You are shockingly uninformed. All major human rights organizations are saying the exact same thing: Israel is actively committing a genocide.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ReptileMan »

derriz wrote: post #309
ReptileMan wrote: post #204

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You can be the most efficient without being the one causing the most death. Maybe Israel is scoring well in terms of amount of starvation caused per hour of genocidal effort?

Doubtful, they have been spending tremendous efforts and the population of Gaza has barely bulged downwards. If this is genocide, they are shitty at it.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by wat10000 »

BJones12 wrote: post #223
glonq wrote: post #153

"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.

Definitions matter. It's possible for an organization to redefine "acutely malnourished" as less than 4000 Cal/day, and then use that to make an accusation. Is that reasonable? No, because that does not match reality. It's unreasonable to criticize pushback on changing definitions because definitions should be pushed toward reality.

Does this particular (supposed) definition change matter here? Because if it doesn't, pushback by the aggressor is heinous and obviously disingenuous even if your abstract love of accuracy means you happen to agree with the objection.

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Post by monocasa »

SilverElfin wrote: post #322
buyucu wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.

It’s not been under a “blockade” for even a year continuously. Literally earlier this year, hundreds of trucks carrying aid were allowed in per day . That was during the ceasefire that didn’t last. If you go back to the history of blockades of Gaza you’ll see it was very intermittent. And when things were tightened, it was in response to incidents like Hamas rocket attacks.

The requirement is about five hundred trucks per day of food (so each truck feeding about four thousand people). The fact that on rare occasions they'd let in about half that isn't really a point in your favor.

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Post by morsch »

JamesAdir wrote: post #327
justin66 wrote: post #123

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People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64929563

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mk89 wrote: post #238
cogman10 wrote: post #216

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The US was the victim of a terror attack at 9/11. It became the bad guy by invading Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years using one terrorist attack as the justification. You could argue Israel's right to strike back on Oct 8th, 15th, 31. That justification has vanished as the onslaught has continued. 2 years later. Yes, Israel is the bad guy for committing genocide. Being the target of a terrorist attack doesn't give a…

USA tried to establish themselves in those lands also to prevent future terror attacks, which I think they did. It's questionable if it was worth it or the right thing to do, but in the meantime, you guys in the USA didn't have a single terror attack afterwards, or? (I can't remember to be honest) What would a single Israel's strike on the 8th of October etc have done? They got 100+ hostages, some are still there btw…

> People still support Hamas and still believe they will win

These people are monsters and idiots. (Not necessarily both.)

Most people seeking peace in Palestine aren't pro-Hamas.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by monocasa »

SilverElfin wrote: post #333
barbazoo wrote: post #104

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It is irrelevant. Israel shouldn't block other countries from sending whatever aid, obviously making sure there's no arms.

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Who is in Gaza right now selling arms?
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