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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by kergonath »

tboyd47 wrote: post #237
slowturtle wrote: post #146

UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

No, but the callousness of an arbitrary decision without even spending 10 seconds to make up a pretend reason is a pure display of power. They do what they want and they don’t care one bit about even looking like the good guys.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by SilverElfin »

buyucu wrote: post #151
rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.

It’s not been under a “blockade” for even a year continuously. Literally earlier this year, hundreds of trucks carrying aid were allowed in per day. That was during the ceasefire that didn’t last. If you go back to the history of blockades of Gaza you’ll see it was very intermittent. And when things were tightened, it was in response to incidents like Hamas rocket attacks.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by yibg »

robertoandred wrote: post #219
tsimionescu wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gaza was given to the Palestinians for free in 2005. That doesn't mean anything. Israel was illegally occupying Gaza before 2005, and has been illegally blockading it since. And every single year for the past 50 years or more, Israel has murdered more Palestinians than the Palestinians have murdered Israelis - most years, at least 2 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. Not to mention, Netanyahu has been one of…

And Egypt was occupying it before Israel, and the British and the Ottomans and the Romans.

And that justifies things for you some how? If someone was beating by someone else before, then it's ok to beat them now?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by SilverElfin »

monocasa wrote: post #77
dataflow wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

There’s no “proof” but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. The pallets that never made it to people in need didn’t magically disappear. There is also a history of Hamas stealing aid that goes back MUCH longer than the post-October-7 conflict:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#Feb...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JamesAdir »

Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by kergonath »

abrenuntio wrote: post #265
ciconia wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.

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Post by JamesAdir »

justin66 wrote: post #123
Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

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Post by [deleted] »

tboyd47 wrote: post #237
slowturtle wrote: post #146

UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dang »

kergonath wrote: post #326
abrenuntio wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.

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No religious flamewar, please, no matter how many flames are burning already.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by brooke2k »

mk89 wrote: post #247
asadm wrote: post #193

I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
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