How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized • Hacker News Board

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ciconia » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:26 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

The man speaking is Ayman Odeh [1], an Arab Israeli MK and chairman of Hadash, a left-wing Arab Israeli party. Arab Israelis and their political leaders are marginalized in Israeli society. Arab Israeli parties are largely considered illegitimate by a majority of Jewish Israelis.

Political opposition to the starvation of Gaza is still marginal, especially in Jewish society. Protests in Arab cities against the starvation and the genocide are being curbed and prevented by the police. the Jewish majority is still largely silent on these issues, if not outright supportive of the government policy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_Odeh

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by RS-232 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:26 PM UTC

bccdee wrote: post #208

RS-232 wrote: post #194

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I'll bite the bullet and respond to this. Those claims have been investigated and were found to be insubstantial. Given that the government of Israel is extraordinarily biased in this matter and would never, under any circumstances, admit to deliberately starving civilians, we can safely disregard whatever excuses they put forth in the absence of external corroboration. > Sam Rose, the acting director of affairs for…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by itsnowandnever » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:26 PM UTC

dlubarov wrote: post #84

monocasa wrote: post #77

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Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

The UN's own data ( https://app.un2720.org/tracking ) shows 86,531 pallets were intercepted, while only 26,772 pallets arrived at their intended destination. We don't know many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by justin66 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:28 PM UTC

mk89 wrote: post #206

justin66 wrote: post #123

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People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

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I wrote the comment you're responding to, and I wasn't making an "argument," certainly not the one you seem to think I was making.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by chollida1 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:29 PM UTC

starik36 wrote: post #97

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I can't believe I'm weighing in on a political thread, but the "deal" is very one sided. It offers very little for the Palestinians in terms of creating their own country and ability to self govern and gives Israel pretty much everything they want including some control over Palestine.

The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by ciconia » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:29 PM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #123

Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by tboyd47 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:32 PM UTC

slowturtle wrote: post #146

UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by mk89 » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:33 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #216

mk89 wrote: post #206

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The US was the victim of a terror attack at 9/11. It became the bad guy by invading Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years using one terrorist attack as the justification. You could argue Israel's right to strike back on Oct 8th, 15th, 31. That justification has vanished as the onslaught has continued. 2 years later. Yes, Israel is the bad guy for committing genocide. Being the target of a terrorist attack doesn't give a…

USA tried to establish themselves in those lands also to prevent future terror attacks, which I think they did. It's questionable if it was worth it or the right thing to do, but in the meantime, you guys in the USA didn't have a single terror attack afterwards, or? (I can't remember to be honest)

What would a single Israel's strike on the 8th of October etc have done? They got 100+ hostages, some are still there btw after 2 years, and there is proof that the civilians knew about it and actually supported it.

People still support Hamas and still believe they will win. Without mentioning that those people (the civilians, yes) supported that s** that "Hamas" had done on the 7th of October - there is plenty of evidence for it.

Interesting link: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by rdtsc » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

Not in a thousand years I would have expected CNN to start reporting on this.

Hope they got some good lines responding to accusations on how every single one of them, including the janitors at the CNN Center in Atlanta are antisemitic.

-"But we're not!" -"Aha, that's exactly what they always say, clearly a sign of guilt!" /s

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by goatsi » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

YZF wrote: post #152

barbazoo wrote: post #104

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It is irrelevant. Israel shouldn't block other countries from sending whatever aid, obviously making sure there's no arms.

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I'm glad to see you use "most of this war", acknowledging that Israel has at times totally blockaded all food and medicine from Gaza (and not for logistic or military reasons, but as a pure pressure tactic as stated by Israeli officials).

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-...

And it's true, Israel is not required to accept aid from other countries for Gaza. They could instead provide the full required resources for civilians in the occupied areas themselves.