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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jameshilliard wrote: post #292
chollida1 wrote: post #235

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I can't believe I'm weighing in on a political thread, but the "deal" is very one sided. It offers very little for the Palestinians in terms of creating their own country and ability to self govern and gives Israel pretty much everything they want including some control over Palestine. The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either.

> the "deal" is very one sided This is pretty much one should expect when one starts and loses a war, same as with the surrender of Nazi Germany and the Japanese at the end of WW2. > The current "peace deal" is terrible for the Palestinians. No other country would sign it either. It's a surrender agreement effectively, it's certainly not a peace deal amongst equal parties.

> This is pretty much one should expect when one starts and loses a war, same as with the surrender of Nazi Germany and the Japanese at the end of WW2

You're being downvoted, but this is pretty much it. Gaza gets peace out of the deal. That's about all they have left to negotiate for.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

JamesAdir wrote: post #336
yibg wrote: post #290

It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

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I would go as far as to say that the very existence of Hamas is due to the actions of Israel.

Do you think that Israel, with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, capable of planting bombs in pagers just in case for when they need them, did not know about the october 7 attack beforehand ??

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #110
starik36 wrote: post #97

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Because it doesn't move the situation any closer to liberation of their people and their homeland. They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now. Why would you assume that being able to escape with their lives is suddenly more important to them?

> They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now

Hamas has. If you put this deal to a plebescite in Gaza, do you really think they'd vote for more war?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

JamesAdir wrote: post #331
ciconia wrote: post #236

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The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

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> reputable news outlet such as TikTok

/s?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by oytis »

thinkindie wrote: post #332
JamesAdir wrote: post #318

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It's incredible how two years of continuing pounding a small strip of land still leaves ample space for Hamas to operate. To the point that Israel international reputation is damaged because, check notes, they don't allow baby formula for babies that might otherwise die under those aforementioned bombs. Or being amputated. Same with the latest "because Hamas": apparently Hamas, while being under the bombs with Israel…

Do you think Israel is able to destroy Hamas' power in Gaza, but prefers to starve babies instead?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jijijijij »

throwaway290 wrote: post #291
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #220

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> Question: There is a repeated claim that more calories have been provided to the Gaza people than several other human crisis scenarios, but that Hamas is currently stealing it all. This claim is made by supporters of the war _outside of Israel_ for external consumption. If you look at what the Israeli cabinet, generals and politicians are saying for internal consumption... it's pretty deliberate.

UN data, compare numbers "arrived" and "intercepted": https://app.un2720.org/tracking are you saying un supports the war then?

> Either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully armed actors, during transit in Gaza

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #382
JamesAdir wrote: post #336

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I would go as far as to say that the very existence of Hamas is due to the actions of Israel. Do you think that Israel, with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, capable of planting bombs in pagers just in case for when they need them, did not know about the october 7 attack beforehand ??

> Do you think that Israel, with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, capable of planting bombs in pagers just in case for when they need them, did not know about the october 7 attack beforehand ??

Yes. Quite easily. We missed 9/11. And nobody can still find Al Houthi.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by kneelesh48 »

zippothrowaway wrote: post #372
dataflow wrote: post #59

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The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

What's the best way of reducing this markup if it were true? Not sending in aid (no supply = lots of demand) or flooding the area with aid? Seems to me, if the claim is true, Israel is trying to give Hamas more power, not less.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by istjohn »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #364
JamesAdir wrote: post #336

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> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)

Gaza has been under blockade since 2007, and the roots of the conflict date back to the founding of the Zionist Organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897 with the purpose to facilitate the escape of Jews from persecution in Eastern Europe by establishing a colony in Palestine. Israel has persecuted the indigenous people of Palestine ever since.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Alupis »

arnsholt wrote: post #92
Veserv wrote: post #89

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Honest question, why can it not just go through the 14 km border with Egypt? Is Egypt also blocking access for food and aid?

Because the Rafah crossing is currently controlled by the Israeli army. Egypt can allow all the aid it wants, it’ll still get stopped by the Israelis.

Egypt has made it fairly clear they want nothing to do with Gaza and Palenstine. I don't believe they would send aid or allow crossings anyway.
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