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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JamesAdir »

ciconia wrote: post #236
justin66 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sometimes forget how bitterly divided Israel was before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets. The war put some of the infighting on hold for a while, but all the former problems still exist, and the stakes are higher.

The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

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Post by thinkindie »

JamesAdir wrote: post #318

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It's incredible how two years of continuing pounding a small strip of land still leaves ample space for Hamas to operate. To the point that Israel international reputation is damaged because, check notes, they don't allow baby formula for babies that might otherwise die under those aforementioned bombs. Or being amputated.

Same with the latest "because Hamas": apparently Hamas, while being under the bombs with Israeli soldiers everywhere, was able to organise, finance and operate a flotilla of several boats to bring food that is otherwise blocked by Israel. Either the IDF has been bombing randomly in the last two years (to inflict the highest pain to civilian) or they are lying. Or both.

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Post by SilverElfin »

barbazoo wrote: post #104
dataflow wrote: post #59

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The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

It is irrelevant. Israel shouldn't block other countries from sending whatever aid, obviously making sure there's no arms.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JamesAdir »

mef51 wrote: post #91

Israel blocks the entry of Plumpy Nut into Gaza, a peanut-butter like paste meant for treating severe acute malnutrition. They say it is a luxury item Hamas might steal.[1] The amount of evidence Israel is committing genocide is embarrassing. [1] https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1971582137947295831

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by RobertoG »

wonderwonder wrote: post #307

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Nonsense, this is about the land. Israel wants Gaza and the West Bank, and who knows what more, and if they have to go genocidal to getting it, they will. So simple like that. Any other explanation is just obfuscation of this obvious fact.

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Post by JamesAdir »

yibg wrote: post #290

It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by wat10000 »

tboyd47 wrote: post #237
slowturtle wrote: post #146

UK surgeon Nick Maynard, a volunteer at Nasser Hospital, tells Good Morning Britain that he and other doctors tried to bring baby formula into Gaza and the Israelis confiscated it from them with no justification. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ipJEROtHOs

Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

That rather depends on the justification. "We think you might be planning to use that to feed babies," no. "There's a small canister of nerve gas concealed in the middle," yes.

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Post by dataflow »

monocasa wrote: post #77
dataflow wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

I have no idea. I've heard a lot of "just because a minister says it it isn't true, do you believe everything Trump or congresspeople say?" in response to what ministers say. That, and the usual "the media (particularly mainstream, like NYT) is lying/anti-semitic/etc." So I imagine the reply would be the same.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by wat10000 »

abrenuntio wrote: post #265
ciconia wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.

Pretty sure there's some commandment about this.
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