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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Isn’t it true that some of the leadership doesn’t live in gaza at all?

Yes, that's who was bombed in Qatar. They do some finances and politics but aren't involved in running Gaza or the military/militants.

Then it makes a lot of sense they might fear for their life less than the militants actually trapped in gaza

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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If we were to believe Israel, why did they ban foreign media from Gaza? I'm sure the "most moral" army in the world has nothing to hide?

...if foreign media was banned from Gaza, how would you get your propaganda from Hamas now? How did Hamas get UK/Australia/Canada/France etc to recognise Palestine? Or do you think that Israel has control over every inch in Gaza...? The truth is that Israel from the media standpoint has lost this war already 2 years ago, on the 8th of October. The world was very sad for just 1 day. The moment Israel decided to go to…

>Everyone claiming Israel is the worst of the worst - just put yourselves in their shoes, and imagine for a moment that your friend/your husband/wife/baby/kids are still kept hostage by brutal people. Hostage. Not prisoner because they had done something. Hostage - grabbed in the night while sleeping or whatever.

This happened routinely to Palestinians for decades (detained without charge is a kidnapping), but since those detainees (often kids) are considered subhuman by zionists it never mattered to them.

Oct 7th didnt just come out of nowhere. It came from people who were exactly as furious as you are now for identical reasons.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The Israelis (and their suppliers) are the ones with the power to end it. They have chosen this. There are actually other avenues you know. This is entirely on them.

Like, not at all? They tried to withdraw from Gaza, and preferred to educate their population on living under daily rocket attacks just to avoid waging a war in Gaza. It all dragged on with no hope for a permanent peace and culminated in the October massacre.

Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

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> It's war initiated by Hamas

Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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It appears that Hamas struck a deeper blow on October 7th than we realized. Perhaps Israel's humanity was the primary target. It's like watching a family member destroy everything in a fit of grief and rage. Surely there is a wiser path.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

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"Starvation campaign"

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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post #290

It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

> wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation

The point is to distinguish this war from how others have been fought. A lot of accusations against the IDF's conduct have been baseless. Not wrong in that they're factually incorrect. Just wrong in that it's how everyone else fights wars when they go to war.

This is different. America didn't trigger a famine in Iraq or Afghanistan, and it's not like we fought those wars honorably. That is where it's worth answering the question, is this just war or is this worse.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.

Israel's territory is still expanding, and Palestine's is still shrinking, so it seems to be working out pretty fine. All those countries recognising Palestine don't have the balls to actually conduct any kind of military intervention against Israel.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

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Do you have something to counter the logical narrative or just an eye brow raise? If that's all you have to offer I'll raise you two eye brow raises.
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