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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by swiftcoder »

illusive4080 wrote: post #261
vient wrote: post #90

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> building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery It may be the software problem as well. On Windows I regularly need to find which new app started to eat battery like crazy. Usually it ends up being something third-party related to hardware, like Alienware app constantly making WMI requests (high CPU usage of svchost.exe hosting a WMI provider, disabling Alienware service helped), Intel Killer Wi-Fi software doing someth…

The Mac ecosystem isn’t as closed as you’re alluding to. You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them. Furthermore, if you’re looking for a battery hog, look no further than Microsoft Defender, Jamf Protect, and Elasticbeat. All 3 of those are forcibly installed on my work laptop and guzzle up CPU and battery.

> You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them

It's definitely becoming less easy over time. First you had to click approve in a dialog box, then you had to right-click -> open -> approve, now you have to attempt (and fail) to run the app -> then go into System Settings -> Security -> Approve.

I wanted to install a 3rd party kernel extension recently, and I had to reboot into the safety partition, and disable some portion of system integrity protection.

I don't think we're all that far from MacOS being as locked-down as iOS on the software installation front...

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by swiftcoder »

remix2000 wrote: post #151
criddell wrote: post #130

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If you use the $1.4k USD laptop for 2 years, that works out to around $2 / day. If it’s a Mac, it probably has some resale value at the end of the time bringing the cost down closer to $1 / day. For a work machine, that’s pretty easy to justify.

I wouldn't expect an Apple product to last that long… This is from my personal experience and also family members who tried Apple, so your mileage may vary, I just wouldn't trust it. Ignoring that though, if work machine means an Excel machine, then it's probably overspending IMO. If work machine means workstation, then you'd probably rather want one of the >1.6k models with more working memory… or just don't go Appl…

Seems like you had a run of bad luck - I hand my old Macs off to family members, and multiple are well past the 10 year mark at this point.

Probably need to get the batteries replaced somewhere past the 5 year mark, but otherwise the durability is unmatched.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

biinjo wrote: post #346
71bw wrote: post #342

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And yet, it allows the user to experience true freedom unlike Apple's offerings.

Care to elaborate on this? I get that iOS is a closed system but I’ve never felt limited by Apple in what I can do with my Macbook.

I guess the hardware is extremely locked down. That part is a drag. Application sharing limitations (needing to publish to the app store, more or less) still feels wrong after all these years. There's more but those are the ones that bother me with any frequency

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

dangus wrote: post #283
dontdoxxme wrote: post #248

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Sounds like you need to spend some time optimising your build. Faster hardware just makes developers lazy. I'm still on an M1 and it's fine, although I do have 32GB.

To be fair, for all you know they’re building something pretty crazy that justifies high resource consumption. Faster hardware doesn’t exclusively make developers lazy, it also opens up capability.

That's the thing. It's not a trivial project. I've already put a lot of time into optimizations and the returns are diminishing now.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by 71bw »

biinjo wrote: post #346
71bw wrote: post #342

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And yet, it allows the user to experience true freedom unlike Apple's offerings.

Care to elaborate on this? I get that iOS is a closed system but I’ve never felt limited by Apple in what I can do with my Macbook.

There is no decent option on an alternative operating system. I do not like macOS and its many quirks, especially its extremely gatekept nature, including the system being SURE that what IT wants is the best for me; I understand that this might be an approach that some people prefer, but in my case it's the equivalent of showing a bull a red cloth.

I will say this - and most will not like this - that I'd go out and buy a M* MacBook if they still kept Boot Camp around and let me install Windows 11 ARM on it. I've heard Linux is pretty OK nowadays, but I have some... ideological differences with the staff behind Asahi and it is still a wonky hack that Apple can put their foot down on any day.

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Post by norman784 »

willis936 wrote: post #243
GeekyBear wrote: post #206

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Asahi isn't in choppy waters. The new project leadership team made the decision to prioritize getting their existing work upstreamed into the Linux kernel, before working on supporting newer SOCs. It's been going well.

Oh, has Linus clarified Linux's position on rust patches in the kernel? I hadn't heard.

From their blog [0]

> With Linux 6.16 now out in the wild, it’s time for yet another progress report! As we mentioned last time, the Asahi and Honeykrisp Mesa drivers have finally found their way upstream. This has resulted in a flurry of GPU-related work, so let’s start there.

Seems that they are doing pretty well upstreaming their work.

- [0] https://asahilinux.org/2025/08/progress-report-6-16/

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by IshKebab »

foresterre wrote: post #337
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

I find this usually doesn't matter as much as you seem to suggest. I've been running linux laptops with AMD/intel for years, and while some focus on more battery life would be welcome, the cpu never bothered me. My primary limiation is available RAM (esp. when debugging react native against a complete local docker setup), which unfortunately on both AMD/Intel but far more so on Apple is usually limited to higher comp…

> Rust builds are fast enough

I love Rust but I think you might be the first person to say that!

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Post by whyoh »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #60
rapind wrote: post #55

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> On the desktop front I think AMD has been killing it but both companies need to start from scratch for laptops. IMO Apple is killing it with the mac mini too. Obviously not if you're gaming (that has a lot to do with the OS though), but if you're OK with the OS, it's a powerhouse for the size, noise, and energy required.

Yeah for most "normal" users the Mini is pretty ideal. It's got enough power that it's overkill for most folks while being the least intrusive a desktop could possibily be: it's tiny, it doesn't have a power brick, it doesn't make any noise, and it's not going to impact your power bill hardly at all.

>it doesn't make any noise

You can hear the fan at full load, especially on the M4 Pro. I really wish Apple went with a larger case and fan for that chip, which would allow quieter cooling.

Also, many units are affected by idle (power supply) buzzing: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255853533?sortBy=rank

The Mac Mini is quieter than a typical PC, but it's not literally silent like, say, a smartphone.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by ZuLuuuuuu »

Looks like M5 Macbooks will still have an edge over PC equivalents, but I am glad that with the new Qualcomm CPUs, PCs are at least getting close. Unfortunately Intel and AMD are falling so much behind that they cannot compete on laptop form factor anymore. The best Intel and AMD laptop CPUs, regardless of their TDP, are still around 3000 score on Geekbench single core.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by jchw »

dangus wrote: post #286
jchw wrote: post #33

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I disagree. For a lot of the personal computing era, the problems with OSes and hardware were mostly a matter of technical progress. The problem with iPadOS is totally different; it's a problem that was basically manufactured in and of itself, and completely artificial at that. I do not think this is a good problem to have at all.

I don’t think you’re representing the state of iPad accurately. In iPadOS 26, more extensive multi-window multitasking like Mac was added. The quantity of windows you can keep open at once depends on your iPad’s SoC. If you have a newer Pro iPad with more memory you can keep more of them open and slow down happens further down the rabbit hole. The hardware is being pushed and used. As another example, the iPad has pr…

I don't suggest the problem is that the hardware can't be "pushed and used", the problem is that the hardware is being artificially limited by Apple for some unknowable reason. (Well, the reason is knowable, but I'm sure some would dispute it anyways. It's very clearly an extreme defense of their 30% cut on all software that runs on iOS devices.) This is not a question, it doesn't matter what people are doing with iPads, it really is happening. A good example, the first iPad with hardware virtualization support in its CPU could initially run VMs provided you had a jailbreak, but then Apple entirely removed the virtualization framework from the following iPadOS update.

There is no particular reason a general purpose computer should be "not for me specifically" in terms of what you can do in software. In terms of design, sure. But not in terms of what you can do in software.

(I have a suspicion the same reason is responsible for why you basically don't find open source software on iOS devices the way you would on even Android or Windows; it doesn't make any money to take a cut out of.)

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